NOAA Marine Conditions Tutorial

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Any benevolent experienced souls care to contibute?

I understand what period is regarding swell, but how might it affect me, practically?

Any other deciphering of the marine reports would be appreciated.

Especially interested in qualitative descriptions of how certain numbers affect boaters.

wind speeds, knots vs mph, wind direction,

I thought it might be fun to take a marine report and break it down.
 
Post a report and we'll break it down for ya.
 
One practical effect on diving is that the longer the period, the deeper you'll feel the surge.

This also means that longer period swells will start interacting with the bottom, slow down, and gain height in deeper water than will shorter period wave.

http://www.seafriends.org.nz/oceano/waves.htm is a pretty good tutorial on waves.
 
If I recall correctly, the depth of surge is ~2x the length of the period. If I'm wrong, someone please correct me. :)
 
Or in terms of wavelength... a wave feels bottom at approximately ½ its wavelength (1/2 the distance between two peaks)

For practical purposes you can use the conversion that 1 nautical mile is 1.15 times longer than a statute mile.

Here is a trick I learned a long time ago that will make it easy to perform the conversion from knots to miles per hour in your head:

For every 7 knots add 1 to get the correpsonding mph. So 7 knots is about 8 mph and 14 knots is about 16 mph. Alternatively, you can convert from mph to knots by subtracting 1 for every 7 mph. So 14 mph is about 12 knots.
 
One practical effect on diving is that the longer the period, the deeper you'll feel the surge.

THATS what I was feeling at the cliff the other day. Sorta this wierd feeling that said the power wasn't visible but it was there and could mess me up.

Charlie...you're brilliant.

For every 7 knots add 1 to get the correpsonding mph

L-O-V-E that...thats what I am looking for.

what is surge in scientific terms? a backwash effect of the swell?

So, break down swell, wave, surge for me.
 
catherine96821:
what is surge in scientific terms? a backwash effect of the swell?
Scroll down to the first diagram in the the link in my first post and you'll see some diagrams showing the round-and-round motion of water beneath a wave. It shows both deep water action and shallow water action. That's the back and forth you feel as surge.

What gets really tricky both above and below water is what happens when a swell comes into shallow water, and particularly what happens when it hits a hard abrupt depth change -- a wall being the most extreme. On the surface you'll get a strong reflected wave that can cause some nasty lumpiness in the water as the incoming and outgoing swells meet each other ---- essentially doubling the wave height. You will also get this additive effect if you have two different swells coming in from different directions, or if you have both swells and wind waves.

Underneath, a sloping bottom will turn the normally horizontal surge into a nasty combination of both sideways and an up/down movement which is rough on divers. My worst ever subclinical DCS was shortly after getting certified. I played around, repeatedly riding the surge from 65' up to 50' for about 30 minutes out at Molokini. A real nasty, repeated sawtooth dive profile. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb. Felt really beat up and tired for the next 24 hours.

That article doesn't touch on the effect of sloping bottoms much, but it does have some nice diagrams of reflected and diffracted wave patterns near the bottom of the article Perhaps you have read stuff about the non-instrument navigational skills of the early Polynesian explorers. Reading the effect of islands on swell patterns was an important part of their skillset.

So, break down swell, wave, surge for me.
Surge is just water movement caused by swells, and to a lesser extent, waves. In the marine forecasts you will often see a forecast for both swells and wind waves. Swells are very smooth (sinusoidal is the 25 cent word) long period waves. They are coming from far away storms.

Wind waves are typically shorter period, have sharper faces to the waves, and are generated by winds closer in. Wind waves are dependent upon the recent winds, and typically will have just a short (1/2 hour to a couple hour) delay from the winds that generate them. In other words, when the trades kick up, the wind waves will soon follow and will be pretty closely aligned with the wind. OTOH, the swell is coming from far away and its direction is pretty much independent of the local winds. We know exactly what the swells will be and their arrival time because we have seen them pass by the various buoys that surround Hawaii. That's why the surf forecasts for the surfing crowd are so accurate.
 
We used to work out on the equator and you could have 8-10 foot seas with a long period. The surface would be glass smooth, it was like driving the small boat over rolling hills. A short period with 6-10 foot swells is miserable.
 
thanks, the link is good

My worst ever subclinical DCS was shortly after getting certified. I played around, repeatedly riding the surge from 65' up to 50' for about 30 minutes out at Molokini. A real nasty, repeated sawtooth dive profile. Dumb. Dumb. Dumb. Felt really beat up and tired for the next 24 hours.

ugh...I can see how it that could happen.

So when they give small craft warnings...do they have standardized criteria /variables
that dictate..is there a scale somewhere?
 
Small craft advisories have different rules based on where you are (makes sense... right?)

Generally though, small craft advisories are issued when sustained winds are in the 25-35 knot range, or if the swell height is over 6-8 feet.

From NOAA's website, here's the definitions for the West Coast:

Western (WA, OR, CA) - Sustained winds of 21 to 33 knots. A Small Craft Advisory for Hazardous Seas is issued for seas 10 feet or greater.

Alaska (AK) - Sustained winds or frequent gusts of 23 to 33 knots. A small craft advisory for rough seas may be issued for sea/wave conditions deemed locally significant, based on customer needs, and should be no lower than 8 feet.

Pacific (HI, Guam, etc) - Sustained winds: northwest through east/southeast winds of 25 to33 knots for the coastal waters (30 to 33 knots for the channels between the islands); southeast through west winds of 20 to 33 knots for both coastal waters and channel winds. Swells: open ocean swells 10 feet and greater; swells 6 feet and greater with short periods (6 to 8 seconds); south swell 4 feet and greater with long periods (13 seconds and greater); north and northeast swells 5 feet and greater with long periods.


-Brandon.
 

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