No Gloves allowed? Is that standard

[jhelmuth]

How responsible. Killing coral is ok, as long as it teaches someone a lesson?

You're a hoot James. The message is that he'll end up learning on his own because he won't listen. Anything you say about it isn't going to matter. Your telling me that I think killing coral is OK. Get a grip. No way is that OK. But I can't stop him. Can you?

 

[Natasha]

But why would you want to, Natasha? If you have good buoyancy, and the water is warm? Why wear gloves? Heck, dive it in a bikini if the water is warm enough!

I personally like to wear gloves for a few different reasons. One is beacuse I pay quite a lot of have my fingers nails manicured before I leave for a trip, and everyday. I think the gloves protect me!

Secondly, holding onto a rope just seems 'nicer' with gloves on for wreck diving.

 

[HammerNoMore]

You're a hoot James. The message is that he'll end up learning on his own because he won't listen. Anything you say about it isn't going to matter. Your telling me that I think killing coral is OK. Get a grip. No way is that OK. But I can't stop him. Can you?

Well his SO might be able to, which is why she is here looking for help. Now your just suggesting she not bother?

"All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing."

 

[jhelmuth]

Well his SO might be able to, which is why she is here looking for help. Now your just suggesting she not bother?

"All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing."

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I have suggested he try this but since it is coming from me, I get the "I know what Im doing attitude" hyeah20:


:1poke: I have suggested the PB cource, but for some reason he feels this is a waste of time. I took it and LOVED it.. i found it very helpful, especially as a refresher.

... Our DM friend has made the same suggestions as myself but to no avial.

I want to be able to give input, but how do you do this when your SO does not want to take advise from you :475:

I certinaly dont want to tick him off
A Angry Buddy = a Bad Dive :scared:

Thought/comments welcome please

You read this right? My reply was that she has a bigger issue as this is her SO and dive buddy - and no real trust exists with this guy.

She can say it, I can say it, you can say it... but in the end, this fella is going to be too obstinate to learn from anyone but experience. There are alot of folks out there like that. Can you keep them off the reef (I can't - and it's too bad someone gifted them with a C-card)?

I'm willing to keep this up if you insist, but let's take it to PMs. This can't be very interesting to everyone else.

 

[HammerNoMore]

You read this right? My reply was that she has a bigger issue as this is her SO and dive buddy - and no real trust exists with this guy.

Yea, I don't really get that. Several people have said the same thing and it's just not true. There are some things people don't want to hear from their spouse/so. It has nothing to do with trust or anything else. They just don't want to hear it from you. As an example, my wife and I have a wonderful relationship and trust each other completely. I've been competative running longer than she has, I got her into the sport. However, she definatly does not want any running advice from me. I can tell her somthing and it goes in one ear and out the other, someone else tells her and she listens.

People want to think of their SO's as equals, not in everything, but it some things. Sometimes advice on things like this are unwelcome because they point out inequality.

I'm willing to keep this up if you insist, but let's take it to PMs. This can't be very interesting to everyone else.

Nah, we can drop it. Touching reefs is definatly one of my soap box items. IMHO there is no excuse for it. A bigger soap box item is people who use equipment designed to keep you warm to "protect you when you touch the reef", so this thread is a double whammy....

 

[Drew Sailbum]

"Wearing gloves while diving or snorkeling in Cayman waters is prohibited." - Cayman Marine Law

No knives allowed at Stingray City after a couple lunatics decided to try to cut some of the rays a few years ago.

 

[skyking]

Frankly, I believe the laws of robotics apply to all situations - not just those involving machines.

Any rule that facilitates harm to humans, especially a deliberate one, is a crock and has no valid excuse for existance. We are at the top of the food chain, and yes, this entails a certain responsibility to conserve, but accidents do happen and there is no reason not to protect yourself. Period.

Sorry if this offends anyone, but the glove issue and a few others tend to evoke a very spirited response from me.

:mfight:

 

[HammerNoMore]

:mfight:

Hmm. New member. Entering a spirited discussion with first post. Familiar dancing monkey.....sockpuppet?

Anyway, anyone who condones abusing nature because of a lack of skils....well, it's just pathetic....

 

[skyking]

Not sure where the monkey came from - it was in the smiles list and I thought it was cute.

I do not in any way condone deliberately harming nature (legimitite sporting, hunting, etc excepted) - develop the skills to avoid the accident whenever possible or don't go. However, accidents do happen and you won't see many sane motorists forgoing their seat belts in order to respect the rights of the tree they hit when departing the road.....

 

[HammerNoMore]

However, accidents do happen and you won't see many sane motorists forgoing their seat belts in order to respect the rights of the tree they hit when departing the road.....

Nor do I see sane motorists turning on the heater in case they hit a tree. Big difference between a seatbelt, an item designed for saftey, and gloves/wetsuit, an item designed to keep you warm. Find a better analogy....