Nitrox and Air in same tank?

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bdshort

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I am starting to consider taking a Nitrox class. I've seen several people here say that it's worth it just for the knowledge, even if you never dive with nitrox. I've held off to this point because as a firefighter, I'm able to fill my tanks (Steel HP100s from Worthington) for free with the stations SCBA air compressor, and have been hesitant to take nitrox because I was under the impression, from reading material that came with the tanks (valves actually), that once you used air in a tank, you couldn't use nitrox mixes unless you had the tank O2 cleaned first, or you'd blow up! I know I dont want to dive solely nitrox, because after all, air for me is free, and nitrox would be $8 a fill. And sometimes I want to go on a dive when the shop is closed, and need gas!
I have read a few threads here on the issue, and from what I gather, there is no problem with using nitrox on some dives, and then using air on other dives, from the same taink, as long as the air you use meets specific quality levels, and the LDS doesn't do partial pressure fills. I talked with my LDS, and learned that they do bank their nitrox, and dont partial pressure fill, and that I could use air as well as long as it meet quality standards (E1 or something like that?). The only time a tank truly needs to be O2 cleaned is if you use EANx greater than 40%, or if your shop only does partial pressure fills?
The compressor we use at the station has to be tested quarterly, and I was looking at the results from the last test, which was sometime over the summer. It didn't say anything like E1, but basically gave percentages and ppm measurements of various gases and particulates, and since it passed, and is used for breathing air for firefighters, I would imagine that it should meet or exceed standards for scuba diving. Yes? No?

So, to make a long question short, if I sometimes fill my tanks with air from the station, and occasionally have the LDS fill them with nitrox for dives where it would be useful to have, will my tanks be safe, or explode and kill people?

The LDS also added that the other thing you have to be aware of, is if you don't drain your tank after using nitrox, and fill with air from the station, that I need to make sure I analyze it before I take it diving, which makes sense.

Brian
 
take the class, it will teach you everything you need to know.
 
If the shop that fills your tanks uses banked nitrox or does continuous(stick) blending you're all set, because the tank will never be exposed to pure O2. If they do partial pressure blending, in which O2 is first pumped into the tank, with air added to make the appropriate mixture, the tanks and valves will need to be O2 clean.
 
Actually I believe they do stick blending. The instructor mentioned having a stick. In any case, I think I will sign up for the class tomorrow. My LDS and one of my buddies will be happy :)
 
Just make sure you let the shop where you get your fills knows you fill your tanks with air that is not hydrocarbon-free. BTW, you can always rent your nitrox tanks, especially if you're not diving it that much.
 
bdshort:
So, to make a long question short, if I sometimes fill my tanks with air from the station, and occasionally have the LDS fill them with nitrox for dives where it would be useful to have, will my tanks be safe, or explode and kill people?

It depends on how they mix their Nitrox.

If they blend in straight in your tank by putting pure O2 in the tank and topping off with air then you'll need to keep your tanks O2 clean.

If they blend it into a buffer and then fill your tank from the buffer or if they use a system that doesn't require them to put pure O2 into your tank then you'll be ok.

R..
 
or you could have 2 tanks....one for air and one for nitrox? not sure how much diving you do but it might be cost effective for you to do that!

btw....you should always use the cleanest air possible for your tanks...the dirtier the air the more problems you will run into over the long run.
 
I've talked with them, they know where I fill my air (SCBA fill station at the fire station), and don't have a problem filling the same tanks with nitrox (which is premixed somehow, it's not a partial pressure fill).

Brian
 
With fills as you described them you OK. The problem you have using one tank is having all fills as top offs, or you have to empty the tank when taking fill with different gas. Having top offs means you have allways more than 21% O2 in tank, and you should check the accurate percentage with O2 analyzer before any dives. At the LDS it's not a problem (they have the analyzer), but when topping with air you need to have one too...
 
Best advice you can receive - get a seperate tank for nitrox!!
You will avoid all the hassles and receive all the benifits.
Shops change compressors, policies. When you travel to a different place and the shop person doesn't "know" you. You will have a problem, regardless of the blending method.
 

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