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SquattingRadishDM:
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What ppl are suggesting is calculating you gas requirements for each dive you do, i.e. "Rock Bottom" ascent pressure, how much gas do I need to safely get me and my buddy to the surface? Its explained very well here: http://www.scubaboard.com/showpost.php?p=401869&postcount=65

SquatttingRadishDM
Thanks for the link, that is an excellent link. Looking at it, my dive 60-80ft was just spot on for the air calculation, ie: 1000 PSI to turn around. Well, ofcourse I did not "calculate" persay but that's what was my profile and I have been comfortably dive with that for a while so I am pretty ok with it. Will look at the formular and plan my dive when I change my dive.
Kim:
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There seems to be a misunderstanding of 'rock bottom' or rule of thirds here. You use 1/3 of your tank to go out - 1/3 to go back, and 1/3 for emergencies. You turn the dive with 2/3 left.......

Ehhhh, each dive profile is diff from one another. Mine are pretty much recreation and no overhead, no cave, no tech stuff so doing 1/3 tank out and then return... boy it sure cut short the enjoyment of diving :).... Yes, I know planning is prudent but ....
 
Just one suggestion on checking air with a buddy....especially the first couple times you check, you should get a "number" (ie 1500 psi or 100 bar) rather than an "ok." That way you should have a fair idea of how much air the other diver has left based on comparing it with your own consumption. Unless something unusual happens during the dive which would cause that diver's consumption to really pick up, it will stay reasonably constant. As a guide, I have to do that all the time...sometimes have quite a few divers to monitor, so within the first 10 minutes I check everyone's air, which gives me an idea of the "heavy breathers" who I can watch more closely, determine the dive time, etc. (We'll normally have a depth & time planned in advance, both of them subject to "downsizing" as conditions/divers' skills dictate. I won't do a 40m/130' dive when I'd "planned" an 18m/60' dive, but I WILL do it the other way around, if I decided for whatever reason, once we descend, that the more challenging dive wouldn't be safe on that day.) Oh, and it's also a good idea to know (about) how bar & psi equate. 1 bar = about 15 psi, so (for a 3000 psi tank) 200 bar is full, 100 is half, 50 bar is 1/4. Hope some of that info is useful to you. If a buddy gives you no info other than "air is ok" prior to "out of air" it (obviously) puts both of you in a difficult situation; glad you handled it well from that point on! (but do your best to avoid it "getting" to that point, ha ha.)
 
wsparks:
Isn't the rule of thirds used for dives with overhead structures? ie. caves, wrecks or dives involving decompression time. In a purely recreational dive wouldn't you subtract 500psi from your total cylinder pressure and divide the remaining psi for your turn pressure? Of course currents, cold water, working dives, etc could change your gas management even for a recreational dive.

In order to correctly calculate how much reserve you need in your tank for any given dive, regardless of whether you decide upon all usable, rule of 1/2s or rule of 1/3rds, you first need to figure out your total ascent time with all stops and double this #. This accounts for your buddy going OOA at the max depth of your dive. Assume a generous surface consumption rate of 1 cf/min. So, it's total ascent time (plus stops) x 2 divers x 1cf/min. As you can see, selecting an arbitrary guage reading like 500 psi will not accomplish this. You need to figure out the volume of your tank. This is: (tank volume divided by rated pressure) x 100. This value is your "tank factor." To convert from cubic feet to psi, divide by tank factor and multiply by 100. So, 500 psi in an alum. 80 is about 13 cf. So, selecting a rock bottom of 500 psi if diving an alum. 80 to more than 100' may be cutting things awfully close if something goes wrong.
 
With anyone who I suspect has a higher SAC than I do, I ask for their PSI at least five times during the first part of the dive. I go over this with the person before the dive. I want to be able to guestimate how much air the other diver will have at a given point.

Far too many people seem to think the OK signal means they can still breath, not that there is enough air left given the situation.

Xanthro
 

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