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akula121

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Hey guys, I'm an instructor newly arrived in Roatan, in the process of getting employment here. I am very interested in beginning underwater videography. The next piece of equipment that I will be buying is a video camera. I know that I want it to be HD, but from there I'm looking for people's opinion on a quality mid range camcorder that performs well when used underwater. If anyone has any opinions or advice on specifics I should be looking for it would be greatly appreciated.
 
I would look at the Sony HC9, the Canon HV40 but make sure that they make a housing before you buy the camera.

How much are you looking to spend? In that cost you will need to budget for Cam, Lights, Housing and any Wide angle ports or adapters... If you give me some more info I will try and put you on the right path.
 
Are you shooting for personal use or is the plan to shoot video of your customers? If so I would look at the Sony XR-500/520 (same camera - double the HDD) or the Canon HG-21. Both are the current state of the art in single chip CMOS Hard Disk Drive cameras.

I wouldn't look at a tape based HDV model for commercial purposes, the tape transfer time will kill you during capture as the speed is 1 to 1. HDD models transfer faster via Firewire/USB with random access to footage. And HDD models can store 10x+ the footage on the drive vs. a single 1hr. tape. The latest models at exactly the same quality as HDV - which until now was the only reason I'm still shooting it - my next camera will be an AVCHD model with a big HDD. Or an SSD model.

A very new option is the Canon HFS-10 - it's a full SSD (Solid State Device) recording camera - no drive to power. The downside (if there is one) is you currently sacrifice recording time for convenience - but that just changed:

Sony's just pre-announced the CX-520V, it's an SSD camera with 460 min. recording time at the highest HD quality setting. It's going to change the dynamic once again when released. Where it gives a little back to the Canon is probably the low-light rating and the Canon has more frame rate recording options. Either will work and give you a superior HD quality image though. If there was one downside, it's that Sony's proprietary media costs slightly more.

Unless you're in a huge hurry, I'd wait to see who announces a housing for the CX-520 before buying anything. As important as the camera is, making sure you have available housing options might be as much or more so depending on your application.

You'll also need a fast dual-core or quad processor and several GB's of memory to edit in HD. And a Blu-Ray burner if your ultimate intent is to provide finished HD DVD's to your customers.

One important consideration will be future upgrade capability of your housing. There are several housings made for Sony cameras that can house more than one specific model, the L&M Stingray HD/Top Dawg II is one, they house variety of current/future Sony models - with some trade-offs in control functionality. Sony is pretty much the only mfr. with the option to "plug-in" a housing and have electronic controls.

Canon housings use mechanical control rods so are more model specific. Some mfr's such as Equinox in MI have a retro-fit program but that seems awkward from Roatan.

One important feature is the ability to Manual White Balance. It's a feature lacking on some of the Sony housings as Sony moved the functionality to the LCD screen a few years ago so any electronic housing needs a way to access it manually. This is usually via control rod although one of the latest housings I've seen, the Patima, incorporates the remote inside the housing - kind of a novel approach.

Read some of the recent posts here, this topic is discussed repeatedly. There's also a complete video mfr's list stickied at the top of this forum. And we have representatives from some mfr's and most of the better known u/w video resellers participating here as well.
 
Great post Steve. And very imformative. I do have a question. Thanks to the advice that I received from this forum I did make the investment in a L&M Blue Fin to go with the Sony XR 520V that I already have. I think I made the adjustments to set it to a Manual White Balance. How often should you white balance? On this model, you can get to the white balance but it seems to require cycling through a few screens to get to it as opposed to being a one button push. My plan was to use a white slate. Just not sure how often I should do it. The owners manual was about a 15 page pamphlet that did not include much info beyond the basic assembly of the unit. Any suggestions?
 
Great post Steve. And very imformative. I do have a question. Thanks to the advice that I received from this forum I did make the investment in a L&M Blue Fin to go with the Sony XR 520V that I already have. I think I made the adjustments to set it to a Manual White Balance. How often should you white balance? My plan was to use a white slate. Just not sure how often I should do it. The owners manual was about a 15 page pamphlet that did not include much info beyond the basic assembly of the unit. Any suggestions?
You may want to MWB anytime there's a noticeable change in lighting conditions or depth. There's no set formula as conditions often change. You'll want to fill the screen with your slate b4 you MWB.

Here's the complete excerpt from the Barsky book - intro starts back a page:

Underwater Digital Video Made Easy - Google Books
On this model, you can get to the white balance but it seems to require cycling through a few screens to get to it as opposed to being a one button push.
You can move the WB menu into the first page of your camera menu. On the Camera screen hit menu and scroll to the last choice - it should be P-Menu setup unless Sony's renamed it. Hit Sort, find WB hit it and use the arrows to move it to the first menu screen.

I haven't been able to figure out how to set it as a small icon on the default Camera power-up screen.

If ronscuba doesn't post here, might PM him, he does MWB. I don't now as my EVO doesn't have touchscreen controls.

How do you like the XR-520V? The 500V is on my really short list since it fits in my housing.
 
Thanks for the input guys, and that was a lot of helpful information Steve. For Jon, I am looking to spend around $1000 on just the camera. I will have to wait till I can work some more in order to get enough for the housing, so I will definitely not be making a purchase in the next couple days. I just want a quality camera with a variety of housing options to choose from. At first this will just be for personal use, but eventually I hope to offer it as a service to customers. Again, thanks for all the advice.
 
You can move the WB menu into the first page of your camera menu. On the Camera screen hit menu and scroll to the last choice - it should be P-Menu setup unless Sony's renamed it. Hit Sort, find WB hit it and use the arrows to move it to the first menu screen.

I haven't been able to figure out how to set it as a small icon on the default Camera power-up screen.

If ronscuba doesn't post here, might PM him, he does MWB. I don't now as my EVO doesn't have touchscreen controls.

How do you like the XR-520V? The 500V is on my really short list since it fits in my housing.

Thanks for the information Steve. I tried to get through the menus but I cannot find them. There doesn't seem to be an easy way to move the one push WB button.

I LOVE the XR 520. Great little machine with more gadgets and multi screens than you can shake a stick at. I like the ability to record in very HD. Camera functions seem to work as well as the video options. The menu screens are easy to maneuver through and very user friendly. I still have not trued all of the bells and whistles, but I am glad I bought it and even happier that L&M made a housing for it. Sometimes fortune smiles on you :D
 

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