Navy sailor critically injured - New Zealand

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Can someone explain what an O2 demand valve in a SCR does? I assume they refer to a computer-activated solenoid, not a mechanical demand valve, but I must admit my ignorance of military SCR.
Do military rebreather not have a HUD indicating pO2?

This occurred per the article on a Drager LAR7000; which has two modes O2 only and SCR Nitrox at a constant flow. Typically in the order of 5L/min but it varies dependent on the exact gas 40/60, 60/40 etc etc and planned depth. You have a switch as in physical lever that you can change the mode from O2 CCR to SCR and back. As the diver did he also closed off the OPV in O2 mode to stop escaping bubbles and essentially meaning as he consumed the oxygen he was then just rebreathing the remaining nitrogen.

Typically in O2 mode you purge the loop to ensure you are just breathing pure O2 but when switching to SCR mode it is more a case of continuously flushing fresh gas at a constant rate into the loop to prevent hypoxia.

An O2 demand valve is exactly that providing O2 on demand as you breath down the loop. By turning off the O2 cylinder if he had surfaced he would have been able to prove that he wasn't diving in O2 mode and consuming oxygen.

No electronics are fitted to these units and therefore no PPO2 monitoring. This style of rebreather being designed for covert tactical operations as opposed to MCM which nowadays typically do have PPo2 controllers but not in all instances especially if SCR.
NEDU did try fitting temp stik style CO2 monitors to the O2 only Mk25 which is the same base Drager CCR design but I think that went the way of the dodo when they worked out how inaccurate they are.

Due to the extremes that these sets are pushed to you'd likely also find that the scrubber is completely exhausted at the end of these dives with very little buffer remaining. Depending how far into the dive this was Hypercapnia may have also played a part.

Functionally it looks like they were pushing physics through trying to extend the duration of their Nitrox gas endurance at 6m finning hard probably over a straight line course in the thousands of yards. The sets actual Nitrox duration being fixed based on the amount of gas supplied in the cylinder 2L 200bar typically for a Drager unit and the depth of the dive. The only variable being the diver themselves whom will be very very fit and their build giving an indication of the amount of oxygen they will consume. You'd probably find in the Drager User Manual for this set a fixed nitrox gas duration at constant depth that would provide the average max endurance of the set.

In this case it would appear that the diver was in SCR mode but then switching to the O2 CCR mode but with the O2 turned off in order to stop the flow of the Nitrox. In concept extending his duration through pauses to the flow of Nitrox albeit without any means of verifying the oxygen content of the loop. In reality he would have had a very Hypoxic loop quite rapidly.

There are some good NEDU trials that I think DAN published a few years back which identified that they found on a different variant of the same make of rebreather you could actually get the loop to go Hypoxic without doing anything wrong. Just being the wrong diver at the wrong time finning hard was sufficient. Which is why in some newer military SCR units Nitrox is supplied at a slightly higher rate of flow at the cost of gas endurance or fitment of larger capacity cylinders.

OSELs preference is that for SCR diving of this nature our Incursion CMR which can also be specced with an O2/SCR switched capability are optioned with PPO2 monitoring as standard but this is not always suitable for the specific mission that the sets are used for. For our back mounted SCR sets we mandate it due to the likelihood of their use on deeper dives down to 100m+. In both cases they enable an element of longer endurance under high workload through the much lower WOB that the sets provide through design and therein reduced gas density. Though they are still limited by the same physics.
 
Terribly sad. My condolences to this young man's family.

Hopefully improvements will be made, but military diving (and their associated cultures) are a way different animal than what we usually discuss here...
 
This occurred per the article on a Drager LAR7000; which has two modes O2 only and SCR Nitrox at a constant flow. Typically in the order of 5L/min but it varies dependent on the exact gas 40/60, 60/40 etc etc and planned depth. You have a switch as in physical lever that you can change the mode from O2 CCR to SCR and back. As the diver did he also closed off the OPV in O2 mode to stop escaping bubbles and essentially meaning as he consumed the oxygen he was then just rebreathing the remaining nitrogen.

Typically in O2 mode you purge the loop to ensure you are just breathing pure O2 but when switching to SCR mode it is more a case of continuously flushing fresh gas at a constant rate into the loop to prevent hypoxia.

An O2 demand valve is exactly that providing O2 on demand as you breath down the loop. By turning off the O2 cylinder if he had surfaced he would have been able to prove that he wasn't diving in O2 mode and consuming oxygen.

No electronics are fitted to these units and therefore no PPO2 monitoring. This style of rebreather being designed for covert tactical operations as opposed to MCM which nowadays typically do have PPo2 controllers but not in all instances especially if SCR.
NEDU did try fitting temp stik style CO2 monitors to the O2 only Mk25 which is the same base Drager CCR design but I think that went the way of the dodo when they worked out how inaccurate they are.

Due to the extremes that these sets are pushed to you'd likely also find that the scrubber is completely exhausted at the end of these dives with very little buffer remaining. Depending how far into the dive this was Hypercapnia may have also played a part.

Functionally it looks like they were pushing physics through trying to extend the duration of their Nitrox gas endurance at 6m finning hard probably over a straight line course in the thousands of yards. The sets actual Nitrox duration being fixed based on the amount of gas supplied in the cylinder 2L 200bar typically for a Drager unit and the depth of the dive. The only variable being the diver themselves whom will be very very fit and their build giving an indication of the amount of oxygen they will consume. You'd probably find in the Drager User Manual for this set a fixed nitrox gas duration at constant depth that would provide the average max endurance of the set.

In this case it would appear that the diver was in SCR mode but then switching to the O2 CCR mode but with the O2 turned off in order to stop the flow of the Nitrox. In concept extending his duration through pauses to the flow of Nitrox albeit without any means of verifying the oxygen content of the loop. In reality he would have had a very Hypoxic loop quite rapidly.

There are some good NEDU trials that I think DAN published a few years back which identified that they found on a different variant of the same make of rebreather you could actually get the loop to go Hypoxic without doing anything wrong. Just being the wrong diver at the wrong time finning hard was sufficient. Which is why in some newer military SCR units Nitrox is supplied at a slightly higher rate of flow at the cost of gas endurance or fitment of larger capacity cylinders.

OSELs preference is that for SCR diving of this nature our Incursion CMR which can also be specced with an O2/SCR switched capability are optioned with PPO2 monitoring as standard but this is not always suitable for the specific mission that the sets are used for. For our back mounted SCR sets we mandate it due to the likelihood of their use on deeper dives down to 100m+. In both cases they enable an element of longer endurance under high workload through the much lower WOB that the sets provide through design and therein reduced gas density. Though they are still limited by the same physics.

So you mean the SCR can work in two different modes, depending on which cylinder is fitted, but only ONE cylinder is fitted on, O2 in this case? I guess with a 2 l O2 200 bar cylinder at a high rate of physical exertion, I could see that 6 hrs under water would be pushing it...
 
So you mean the SCR can work in two different modes, depending on which cylinder is fitted, but only ONE cylinder is fitted on, O2 in this case? I guess with a 2 l O2 200 bar cylinder at a high rate of physical exertion, I could see that 6 hrs under water would be pushing it...

No, both cylinders are fitted and can be switched between depending on the dive profile. The problem appears to be that instead of using proper gas management skills they were being pushed to use less gas to extend their bottom time and were switching between systems and trying to cheat to extend their time. The problem is once your mix goes hypoxic you lose consciousness with basically no warning and because these are manually operated systems they do not turn the gas back on and you die. This system has no monitors except for a pressure gauge because you are either using pure o2 in a closed system or a predetermined nitrox mix in the semi closed mode giving you a set p02 depending on which gas is being used.
 
So you mean the SCR can work in two different modes, depending on which cylinder is fitted, but only ONE cylinder is fitted on, O2 in this case?
To give you a visual representation here is what the set would look like, with the bubble diffuser (OPV) at the top, gas Switch Lever front right from divers perspective, O2 and Nitrox cylinders. https://www.draeger.com/en_aunz/Applications/Products/Diving-Equipment/Rebreather/Oxygen-and-Mixed-Gas-Rebreather/LAR-VII-Combi-FA
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or the purists thats a VII not 7000 but same same.
The switch is a physical lockout that means you can only breathe from one cylinder at a time.

These sets are pretty much the norm for the majority of militaries.
OSELs is sort of functionally the same Bulk positive pressure testing of a few... - Open Safety Equipment Ltd | Facebook
Divex’s is near identical to Draeger just laid out differently
and theres a couple of more major players but not many.
 
Terribly sad. My condolences to this young man's family.

Hopefully improvements will be made, but military diving (and their associated cultures) are a way different animal than what we usually discuss here...
In many ways, military diving is much more regulated and "by the book" than what amateur divers get up to. What this guy was doing was incredibly dangerous - literally suicidal.
 
In many ways, military diving is much more regulated and "by the book" than what amateur divers get up to. What this guy was doing was incredibly dangerous - literally suicidal.
Or a consequence of the "culture" tolerated within the unit... That is at least what the report suggests.
 
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