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Again, please tell me where I have it out of context. To assist you, here's Christi's post (in it's entirety):

It's not a scenario I'm addressing. It's an attitude. All I'm suggesting is that it's not acceptable to turn off someone's air underwater.

If you want to debate this further, please continue in PM.


christi:
That wasn't meant to be funny. Let me clarify that...I absolutely would have escorted him safely to the surface...IF he fought me and began attacking me, I would have turned his air off as a defense for my own safety and gotten away from him. He would HAVE to go to the surface rather than come after me, which he could have safely done. He was in less than 50 feet of water. May sound harsh, but it is a rescue technique if attacked underwater. and of course would have been a last resort option.

Or as some other seasoned dive professioanls have suggested..."snip the HP hose. fizzees like crazy, but would take 40min to dump the cylinder.
no real risk to the perp, but he'll abort the dive" (thanks fugu)

I don't know if the seahorse survived, but he definitely went away.
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I read once that when deciding whether or not to have a medical test run, one should look at the decision tree downstream from the test, i.e., if it's positive what do you do, and if it's negative what do you do? If they are the same, don't run the test.

What we have here is a similar case, in my opinion. The guy is long gone, and whether he is (in absentia) found innocent of all charges or guilty of the foulest crime, what are we going to do? Follow him to Podunk, Kansas, and throw him in jail? Post a guard at the airport and refuse his entry into Mexico? Are you going to base any policy changes based on what you find out after the fact? I guess you could burn him in effigy... hey, maybe that's not a bad idea. It worked for Larry Harvey (google him). ;^)

Christi, my advice is to let it go and get back to doing what you do best, which is running a great dive op and educating folks on the ways to protect the reef. We know the guy touched a seahorse and got into an altercation over it with a DM, and now he is gone. The rest of it is all "he said, she said", and really doesn't matter to what happens now. We are (myself included) flogging a dead (sea)horse. Well, the seahorse in question is probably OK.

I read somewhere else that an often useful mantra is "I am going to have to get over this someday. Why not now?" I use it a lot, especially in traffic. ;^)
 
ggunn:
I read somewhere else that an often useful mantra is "I am going to have to get over this someday. Why not now?" I use it a lot, especially in traffic. ;^)

Great advise!
 
ggunn:
I read once that when deciding whether or not to have a medical test run, one should look at the decision tree downstream from the test, i.e., if it's positive what do you do, and if it's negative what do you do? If they are the same, don't run the test.

What we have here is a similar case, in my opinion. The guy is long gone, and whether he is (in absentia) found innocent of all charges or guilty of the foulest crime, what are we going to do? Follow him to Podunk, Kansas, and throw him in jail? Post a guard at the airport and refuse his entry into Mexico? Are you going to base any policy changes based on what you find out after the fact? I guess you could burn him in effigy... hey, maybe that's not a bad idea. It worked for Larry Harvey (google him). ;^)

Christi, my advice is to let it go and get back to doing what you do best, which is running a great dive op and educating folks on the ways to protect the reef. We know the guy touched a seahorse and got into an altercation over it with a DM, and now he is gone. The rest of it is all "he said, she said", and really doesn't matter to what happens now. We are (myself included) flogging a dead (sea)horse. Well, the seahorse in question is probably OK.

I read somewhere else that an often useful mantra is "I am going to have to get over this someday. Why not now?" I use it a lot, especially in traffic. ;^)

You are exactly right Gordon. Can't argue with a thing you said :)

Well, except that now I need to start making hurricane preparations :)

Thank you Gordon!
 
Tim Ingersoll:
Okay the horse is now officially deceased. Stop the beating!
Agreed
 
Good job and good luck Christi.
 
Ok, I'm starting to get a headache! this whole banter back a forth about turning someone's air off is getting old! splitting hairs over what or what not was said or ment, personally if someone would have treated an employee fo mine like that, for any reason, having his air turned off would be the least of his problems!

Can we all find something pleasent to talk about? read any good trip reports lately?
 
sharky60:
Can we all find something pleasent to talk about? read any good trip reports lately?



How about the Hurricane - historically has Coz even seen one; when ?

Going back soon :)

- No one is turning ANYONE'S air off - get off it already !
 
Cozoholic:
- No one is turning ANYONE'S air off - get off it already !
I can think of a few nondivers that I’d like to turn off their air too. :D
 
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