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ggunn:
The talk of turning off his air, while satisfying to think about, isn't realistic, as it would have put him in a life-threatening situation and whoever turned it off into a dire legal situation if he were to die as a result. Reprehensible though the mistreatment of the reef is, it is not an infraction that should incur the death penalty.


I think any reasonable, sensible diver realizes that turning off someones air is not an option... I believe it was meant as a joke ( I was the one who originally suggested it - others agreed - jokingly) thank you for the clarifying the repercussions to anyone who didnt already know. Lighten up.
 
ggunn:
To be perfectly honest, my initial reaction was mostly in response to the part of the initial account where it was said that he grabbed a seahorse and swam off with it, like he expected to take it home as a pet. Seahorses have indeed been poached from out in front of Caribe Blu.
Was this recently?
 
Cozoholic:
I think any reasonable, sensible diver realizes that turning off someones air is not an option... I believe it was meant as a joke ( I was the one who originally suggested it - others agreed - jokingly) thank you for the clarifying the repercussions to anyone who didnt already know. Lighten up.
http://www.scubaboard.com/showpost.php?p=1165138&postcount=22

From what Christi indicates here, I understand it to be a rescue/defensive technique that is taught to divers to be used as a "last resort" type of thing. Scary but under the right circumstances, I imagine quite effective.
 
Looks like after all this he's going to get off scott free. What a let down. Even if he comes back in a year, all he has to do is dive with a different outfit. His C-card must be on file somewhere, no? If someone notified his certifying agency wouldn't they do something? Send a threatening letter at least?
 
ggunn:
While I certainly don't in any way condone his handling of the seahorse, I have seen DM's touch morays, octopuses, toadfish, turtles, and other critters. It seems to me that the incident quickly escalated to where the seahorse wasn't really part of it any more.
Agreed, but I think you really are going to have to put seahorses in a different category. Obviously some people don't see it that way though. How many times have you seen a DM pick up an arrow crab and put it on someone's hand? Yes, they do try to put it back exactly where it was found but...

I do remember that Javier told me once touched, seahorses will move on to another territory. Think about that long line of divers who will be visiting Tormentos in the next few days, weeks & months who will not be able to see this marvelous creature due to one persons ignorance. I was lucky enough to see 3 my past trip and I even managed a decent photo of 2 of them, the memory and the picture is enough, why the need to touch?

I know from personal experience that Christi's DMs stress the "no touching" rule, I'm sure most dive ops do the same. If so, we just found one person who was napping during the dive brief. Chalk this up as one more reason to stay away from cattle boat operations.

Long story short, after seeing a guy and his videographer buddy with their arms elbows deep trying to flush a splendid toadfish it has brought on a whole new level of disgust for the ignorance of some people. I'm glad I wasn't there for this seahorse incident.
 
pennypue:
http://www.scubaboard.com/showpost.php?p=1165138&postcount=22

From what Christi indicates here, I understand it to be a rescue/defensive technique that is taught to divers to be used as a "last resort" type of thing. Scary but under the right circumstances, I imagine quite effective.

Hey You! :) Yes, last, last resort if I felt it was me or him and there was nothing else I could do. But I also wouldn't let it escalate to that point.

Steve, I wouldn't say that he got off scott-free, although I would have been happy to see his diving come to a halt for this trip. Hopefully he feels like a real jerk and realizes how wrong he was. That can often be punishment enough. Rehabilitation rather than vengeance.

Here are some other thoughts to clarify questions some of you may have. I posted this (below) in response to another message.

I know some of this sounds really ridiculous to some, particularly people (probably like him) who don't dive often and do not understand the impact these types of things have on the marine environment.

I am not condoning physical violence or having a "pissing match" underwater.

I agree there could have been a better way to handle it and I agree that her writing on the slate was unprofessional. However, it IS difficult for any of us to say what we would have done, we weren't there. There were several comments yesterday about turning his air off, cutting his hoses, etc. These were all made in jest and are fun to joke about when talking about a jerk in the water, but of course are not realistic.

She is not a full-time employee, she was filling in for Javier who had an accident the previous day. Nevertheless, when I polled my clients about it, they all agreed that other than the writing on the slate, she handled it well and was not agressive towards him. None of them felt she was out of line. The "push" was demonstrated to me like holding out her arm as to keep him back...not a violent shove. She also said she was not proud of writing that on her slate, but she was so angry after he kicked her in the face, that she wrote it. She even said she let him go after that because she didn't want it to escalate...instead, we would find out who he was and deal with the situation accordingly.

I am not defending, just telling the story as I know it and as honestly as I can. Trust me, I know of other DM's here that would have handled it much more aggressively...I've seen much worse...again, not defending...just being realistic.

To answer your question about what could have happened to him...his marine park priveleges would have been revoked, and that is what the dive shop was prepared to do if we ID'd him while there was still an opportunity to do that.

Hopefully what HAS happened is that he understands now how serious we are about protecting the marine environment.

I'll be the first to admit that I am very anal when it comes to reef preservation, but I am not ashamed of that. I also realize that while people touching/harrassing the reef and marine life is only one very small piece of the bigger picture, it is one part that we as divers can help by educating others. Every little bit counts.
 
So how about posting the culprit's name and address? Wouldn't that at least be some measure of justice?
 
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