Medical Question - is there a Dr. in the house?

[Hoomi]

You guys are so stupid. you just have to set it to scuba board classic in the menu on the bottom left. You'd have noticed it if you ever looked anywhere on the page besides the new threads list.























can I more shamelessly bump my own thread?

I just thought you were having schizophrenia issues...

 

[diversteve]

Given that the drug in question is trenbolone (which I believe is used by vets on livestock), the OPs "friend" is taking the drug illegally. If this is the case, diving is probably the least of his troubles.

Trenbolone is a steroid used by veterinarians on livestock to increase muscle growth and appetite.

Trenbolone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

moved to Diving Medicine

 

[jefffalcone]

The question from the OP is in regard to anabolic steroids, your quote references corticosteroids - which are very different.

Give that the drug in question is trenbolone (which I believe is used by vets on livestock), the OPs "friend" is taking the drug illegally. If this is the case, diving is probably the least of his troubles.

Yes trenbolone is some nasty *****. That's why I am concerned about my friend diving on it.

Trust me I wouldn't ask about it on an open forum using my first and last name as my screen name if I were doing it. Not to mention that my brother frequents this board. The "friend" is just a guy I know from working out.

 

[jefffalcone]

TSandM where are you? You must have something to say about this. I'm counting on you.

Thallassamania - you seem to know something about everything. Come on man.

 

[MASS-Diver]

Trust me I wouldn't ask about it on an open forum using my first and last name as my screen name if I were doing it. Not to mention that my brother frequents this board. The "friend" is just a guy I know from working out.

I was just teasing about the "friend" thing. In all seriousness, 'roids do some nasty stuff. At the least, he probably has an increased risk of CV events (heart attack, stroke). Plus, his temperament probably sucks, which is not a good thing underwater.

I hope he's not out on any our local boats? I have enough problems without some juicehead having roid rage on me on one of the boats. I don't know how this guy looks, but everyone I know that has used steroids ends up looking SUPER obvious. Personally, I would not want to show up for a boat dive with a guy who is obviously doing illegal drugs.

 

[jefffalcone]

Don't worry. He's not from around here. I know him from an internet body building forum.

 

[MASS-Diver]

Don't worry. He's not from around here. I know him from an internet body building forum.

Cool

 

[Kingpatzer]

Yes trenbolone is some nasty *****. That's why I am concerned about my friend diving on it.

Someone engaged in illegally taking drugs isn't going to be all that concerned with what a bunch of pseudo-anonymous posters on a board say.

But -- I'd seriously recommend not diving while taking any drug that potent.

 

[Thalassamania]

This one has me stumped, I even called a Hyperbaric consult and he just had inferences and guesses. My consultant and I are in complete agreement that this person, regarless of the effect of the steroid on DCS should not be diving. If I had to clear this person to dive under institutional auspices ... there's no way in hell I would.

 

[PTAaron]

I'm no dive medicine expert, but I do know a fair amount about the bodybuilding lifestyle. As far as I know, the type of "nitrogen retention" that is referred to in muscle building is not the same type of "nitrogen retention" that is a concern with diving.
Someone that is on an anabolic is the same as a person who has naturally higher testosterone levels (for the most part) - and their body is just more efficient at using protein as it is taken in through the diet, which is generally what people mean when referencing "positive nitrogen balance" and being in an anabolic state.

As long as your friend isn't having blood pressure issues (common in people that are using high doses of anabolics), and his other blood profile markers are "good" (assuming he is being intelligent and having regular blood tests done as many users of anabolics do) he is no different than any other diver that works out or happens to have higher than normal natural testosterone.

People that use anabolics for bodybuilding purposes are not the same as people using street drugs to get high... but that isn't a debate for this forum. ... and I am a natural bodybuilder, so no anabolics here.