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And don't forget that's part of what you're paying for. If the account exec can't help you (a lot) with creativity, calls to action and quality copywriting, you need to find someone who can. Help get them excited and they'll be better at conveying that in their spots. And listen to them. There are too many people--in all businesses--who know more than anyone else. These folks do this professionally and, chances are, they'll come up with some good ideas. If you've not done media buys before and want some help, pm me and I'll give it a shot.
I just gave them some ideas on what part of my business I wanted focus on and let them work their magic. They created everything for me, and did an outstanding job.
Some of the worst ones I hear on the radio are when the owner wants to do his/her own voice work and write their own copy.
And then some of them get their kids involved. It can be painful to sit through. I've actually changed radio stations before in my truck just so I wouldn't have to listen to them.
 
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My girlfriend and I went to see "Lone Survivor" last night. The audience was overwhelmingly older. Only 5 people were younger than 30 - three guys with military haircuts and a young couple. A few of us were 30s and 40s. Over 30 people were senior citizens. More women in the audience than men. That was surprising. I wonder what the national audience demographics have been for a movie about Navy SEALs?
 
" However, that's simply a challenge that any professional is going to relish... and it is not an insurmountable one... in part because of the number of ways we can get a message across and the relatively inexpensive cost of "space and time."

Enter niche content marketing in the new media age. Consistently provide the info that each of these desires for free and build audience of loyal followers in any niche via blog, video , podcast etc. Say you can attract 1000 niche followers. The gear manufacturer that makes a Tec specific product should be thrilled to market directly to those 1000 Tec Divers instead of marketing to the larger, more generalized & diverse group that reads the general dive blog, magazine, podcast, etc. This is why I feel we will see a lot of this in the near future with the ease of entry into the online media distribution outlets. Anyone can start a blog or podcast on their own these days if they have the time to dedicate to it. This is exactly why I am starting a very niche podcast that reaches out to divers who want to become professionals in the industry. I hope to provide the listeners with great free content that will solve their problem, build a base of loyal followers and then provide them with only a few useful sponsors that can pay a fraction of what they pay now for indirect marketing to now market directly and tastefully to the end user via the voice of their trusted host who brings them great , free content on a weekly basis. It also provides the opportunity for someone like me to do what they are passionate about in hopes of bringing a bit of income doing so. I would rather be paid to dive each day but at least this way I can talk about it more often and make it a larger part of my life while hopefully providing a great free service to others.
 
Here's some information from a consumer purchase/survey

GOLF
Household income >$100,000 - 21.6%
Household income >$200,000 - 25.5%

So four times as many "attractive market" households engage in skiing, and 10x as many engage in golf.

So we just need underwater golf courses?? Lol

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@ mjrob I am just getting ready to launch but have been studying this for months and the best answer I have found is to start by getting listed in iTunes, Stitcher and other podcast directories. As with anything else I will also need to find other channels such as:

Face to face
online seo
hopefully spreading the word on forums (tastefully and by being a contributer, not a spammer)
events and etc.

The beauty is that each time I interview someone , they want to share it with their followers and this will help bring new listeners.

Now if I could just find more hours in the day as I try to spend less time on my current business and transition to this full time. Much to do as with any business but I am excited and passionate about it instead of waking up and thinking of all the jobs I need to complete today for my other business.

Someone like me can spend all of the time and effort up front to build the audience and the sponsors/marketers can utilize that hard work to their advantage to market to the individual "sectors" of "the industry". But this model cuts out the BS because the person like me that is working hard to provide great content is also working hard to protect the interest of the audience. For example, if I were approached by a payday loan company that wanted to be a sponsor (no matter how much they offer) I would say no way, doesn't fit & I won't abuse the trust of the audience by allowing anything other than quality content into the mix.
 
But Jim, you're not a scuba newbie. Let's face it, while you and I know that the information on that website is as thin as wet toilet paper... it's far less contentious than you and danvolker and tobin arguing over who's BP has fewer burrs... and just enough information to get a few people to buy some dopey BCD.

But Julie, the question I have is... what is her business? Because when you click on any of the links to actually try to buy anything (and they are quite hard to find) they link you to LeisurePro.com.

Best BCD - Which Top Rated And Reviewed Scuba Diving BC Is Best For You?

Zeagle Ranger BCD with Ripcord Weight System, Black at LeisurePro

Her business appears to be content marketing & affiliate marketing.

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In my own defense, by helping a scuba business, it helps the industry and sport as a whole. I'm best buds with folks at DEMA, PADI and DAN and various manufactures. They have showed us what they will do to help the industry. Look at what they have done and you'll know what to expect to get. We already know their limits. We have received all the help they are going to give. It's up to the business to be a rock star and I believe the internet is the perfect platform for making a scuba-business-owner-rock-star.

I agree with the content marketing strategy and have been thinking during this whole thread that if the instructional LDS is the "gatekeeper" to the industry, they likely have to be the ones to provide the "curb appeal" and get out in the community (online or offline) and get people interested in diving, This is where it all starts.

I do think it wise for the agencies and manufacturing company's, etc. to help and co-op for marketing strategies/expenses since this "industry" starts local and moves right on up the line to the agencies & manufacturers.

When the kid that heard the presentation at the local job fair decided to get certified, advance his/her training, buy gear,take the commercial diving course and spread the passion for it to others, it is most likely positive for all parties involved in his/her path.

I think the new breed of online business is a lot different than most realize. I think it will revolve around top quality content, delivered for free and not just direct sales. Think about a niche magazine. Do they make money on each article? No, they build community and provide great content. The money comes to them if they have a focused audience and great content. Not everyone is selling directly online. The ones who are giving quality info will attract the ones who are selling directly and will just need to be careful to keep providing great content and not be distracted by potential advertiser $$ that don't fit the niche.

The LDS that specializes in side mount diving, for example, should be very active in at least one sidemount blog by providing relevant and useful content one post at a time consistently & with genuine interest helping people (and promote that resource that they contribute to). They will have to get in the mindset of giving information away and not holding on to it until someone takes the class. The problem is that this takes time and dedication to something outside the scope of most LDS operations. Maybe the best thing that could be offered is the education of this type of long term marketing approach to the LDS that is willing to pursue it or a service that can match that sidemount specialist with the popular blog, podcast, youtube channel or etc. so that they can contribute to it or pay to advertise on it???? They could even pay said service to contribute their knowledge for them if they don't have time to do the postings themselves(or don't want to). I hope this is helpful in some way.

Just my thoughts and with only one goal in mind....to help anyone that may be able to use the info. (And I am not selling anything)

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Thanks mjrob. Who knows if it will work, but that has never stopped me from trying things in the past! Hoping and planning for the best. I can't believe how long this thread is and that I am still not close to being done reading all these great responses. I'll bet the OP had no idea it would get this big. Hopefully all find the content useful.




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Hey, it's not about being fair, it's about marketing!:wink: Seriously, that's a pretty entertaining fo-paw, if you ask me.

You are, however, correct in your summation of member benefits. I challenged them to have someone call and sell me a renewal. Two weeks later, no word.

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There sure is a lot of information in this thread, some of it really good. Honestly, I try not to get bogged down in the theorems and formulae of marketing because there’s just too much to do. But I get out of bed in the morning thinking about marketing. I also treat this as a business. Businesses make money, hobbies cost money. There are a lot of hobbyists in the scuba industry. By the way, I’m comfortable with that term.

Does marketing cost? Absolutely. Does it pay? Done right, yes, it does. Do businesses need a source of capital for startup and to get a solid marketing plan in place? Yep, they do. But it doesn’t have to be $275,000. It can be and it can grow to that, but you gotta start somewhere. I’m hoping to share some of what we do with everyone with the goal of helping us all bring new divers into the industry and retaining existing ones. The numbers prove that there are many, many people who want to experience scuba diving, so I have no doubt the market exists. We can prove that.

RJP noted: Seeing as households earning >$100,000 comprise roughly 15% of the US population, what we see is that 2.1% of 15% of US households are an attractive target for "the scuba industry." That's 0.31% of US households... less than one-third of one-percent.

Numbers provided to us as survey results from both of the largest certifying agencies in the world are slightly more succinct and strikingly similar. Of the people they’ve surveyed, about 30% say they’d like to try scuba diving. Less than one percent of them ever do. We see that as 29 points of opportunity. Look at it this way: if we got that number (people experiencing scuba—if we must through “Discover” or “Try” scuba) up to, say, five percent and we were to capture 20% of them and make them divers, our business would more than double (I was a journalism/pr major, not math, but that’s pretty close). Would that be good for everyone?

To explain my aversion to the single pool session try-it “courses” (not to mention the dreaded and often scary “resort” courses), scuba is a “bucket list” item for many people. If they get in a pool, don scuba gear, breathe under water for 20 minutes and then get back out of the pool, many of them have “done it.” I’d rather convince them to take an open water course, really experience diving and go from there.

But here's how some things work for us:

Before I leave for work, I put on a shirt embroidered with our company logo. I wear them all the time and people ask me about our stores when they see them. I drive to work in my truck with the oval “Ford” emblem painted as a dive flag. People comment on that.I've been known to hand people caps with our logo on them.

Yesterday morning, I walked in one of our stores at 7:45 and there were four lap swimmers in the pool, all of them divers who own gear purchased here and have traveled with us multiple times. They get in early before the “Mommy and Me” infant swim lessons start. Some days it’s Aqua Zumba as well, which is really loud but it brings people in. Pools are expensive to maintain and their surfaces always need to be disturbed. Flat water creates zero cash flow. I think about that. You don’t have a pool? This is all going to be much more difficult for you. It can be done, it’s just harder.

As I walked in the door (after parking in the far reaches of the gravel lot, not the concrete lot—that’s for customers), Ali, our travel coordinator (who also does retail sales—we all do) was behind the counter emailing information to customers. I asked her what we were going to do that day and she enthusiastically replied, “We’re sellin’ stuff!” She thinks about that. Everybody does. It’s an attitude we cultivate and reward. Part of marketing is attitude—it’s the first part.

Does all marketing/advertising cost money? No. Some of it just takes time—which is, of course, money; it’s just not cash. My experience is that pretty much everyone has some time they can utilize for marketing, even if they think they can’t afford to spend cash.

What sorts of things can you do with time? Some things we do are community outreach. We do swim safety and scuba presentations for schools, churches, civic organizations, clubs—pretty much anyone who’ll have us. And most of those folks are always looking for people to do presentations. We also participate in community events like parades and festivals (not free but pretty cheap). Health fairs, both corporate and community are other opportunities. You can also volunteer your expertise at the “consultant” level for news programs, soft-news or local happenings programs, etc. And be sure to write and send press releases about events, trips, milestones (Joe Scuba is now an Instructor Certifier for XXX agency, Jim Scuba just made his 2000th scuba dive, Jill Scuba just returned from a dive trip to Cuba, Scooba Booba presented a shark awareness program to Mrs. Brown’s third grade remedial reading class, Scooba Looba is training students in Oxford University’s marine biology to dive in preparation for their Save the World project) because, again, your local newspaper or television station may need some “fill” that day. Or they may be truly interested. Get involved in the community. We’ve hosted Top Doc’s events honoring outstanding physicians, business-to-business breakfast club meetings, water rescue team appreciation nights and a national sales meeting for one of our equipment vendors.

With time and some cash, you can promote events. We just had Alex Antonieu from Fins Attached in one of our stores to do a presentation on shark finning and the marine environment. 67 people and one television station showed up. We made the 10 o’clock news. It really didn’t cost a lot to do that and he’ll be in our second store in a few weeks to do the same thing. One of our local dive clubs is hosting their monthly meeting in one of our stores next week, using our conference room and then hopping in the pool, just for fun. We’ll provide some refreshments and, chances are, sell some things to them. What diver can go in a dive store and not find something they want or need?

Encourage your vendors to show up for a customer appreciation day. They can present new (or old) products, meet your customers—who are really their customers—and, with luck, provide a raffle or giveaway item that will help boost attendance. We throw a big annual party with a band, face painters and balloon benders, food vendor(s), an “open house,” and multiple vendors with display tables/booths and all-day seminars, including upcoming travel destinations. Again, publicity and a crowd can generate publicity for you. Don’t be afraid to ask for sponsorship dollars from your vendors to participate. They may not give you any, but you never know unless you ask.

We do pay for a lot of advertising. We do billboards (both electronic and static), radio ads, television ads, lots of internet and social media work, lots of high quality printed brochures in the stores. One of our commercials runs on the big HD screen at the Century Link Arena in Omaha at Creighton University basketball games, University of Nebraska hockey games, concerts, the Olympic Swim Trials, volleyball games, etc. We are training morning drive radio personalities to dive and sending them on our trips, currently one to Cozumel. We get more mileage out of their banter and excitement on the air than our paid radio ads. And, by the way, radio ads do work for us…very well. We do morning drive time for swim lessons for parents driving their kids to school, scuba on sports talk and both on a wrap-up show after NU Cornhusker Football games—believe it or not, there are a LOT of Husker fans in Nebraska. Media buys are not cheap and need to be carefully considered for content and run times, but they do work. We do very little print media any more other than some local publications and magazines directed to young mothers. Those are pretty affordable but most print ads these days don’t seem to generate much attention or sales. Our company vehicles are all logoed and kept clean. Our store signs are the tallest allowed by local ordinances and are colorful and well-designed. Everything we can put a logo on has one. Branding, baby.

We also have a world-class zoo with an amazing aquarium. You won’t be surprised to know that, in return for some foundation donations, free air fills for their volunteer diver program and co-marketing for events, we have our name on an interactive coral reef play station for kids.

We do pre and post-trip parties with refreshments, power-point presentations, shirt and ticket distribution (we do shirts as a part of the package for every trip and print a few extras. You might see them on locals in Coz, the Bay Islands, the Philippines, Australia, Cuba…you get the picture). And speaking of pictures, all post-trip parties have photo contests where you can win…drum roll, please…shirts with our logos on them!

So, like I said, we believe in marketing. And there are lots of other things we do. I’ll be happy to share them with you because I firmly believe that more divers create more opportunity for all of us. Come visit, steal all the ideas, brochures, etc. that you want. And share your ideas with us. We’re constantly looking for new approaches. Like I said, I get up in the morning thinking about marketing.

We’ve done pretty well doing what we do in this realm and we’d be happy to have you come see how it’s working. We’ll be thrilled to meet you. I’ll give you everything we do and you can put your logo on it.

Now we can talk about the wonderful world of vendor relations…

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Seriously? I killed this thread?

Love it !! This is being focused on the big picture and doing it right from many angles, experimenting, using all the tools you can think of and offering to share your success with the community. WOW! Happy to see your success and your valuable , actionable advice for others to follow!!!
 
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Not to toot our own horn (toot, toot) but ScubaBoard is a Social Media SEO. There are a number of businesses that have been built right here on ScubaBoard. Edge/Hog, Deep Sea Supply and others started right here and while their existence is no longer contingent on ScubaBoard's health we have a huge impact on their bottom line. The more you get mentioned here the easier you are to find on the interwebs. IOW, the more you get your customers to talk about the fun they are having in your classes, buying your gear on ScubaBoard, the more the world will know you exist and the more you promote diving to the world.

Don't forget Trip Advisor and stop overlooking YouTube as well. There's a lot of people going to Cozumel... how many of them realize they can Scuba and learn to Scuba while there? The same can be said for any destination. There are a lot of misconceptions out there about diving and in reality, that's our biggest problem. Scuba is in everyone's vocabulary and it's filed right beside "pipe dream", "unobtainable" and "too expensive".
 
Don't forget Trip Advisor and stop overlooking YouTube as well. There's a lot of people going to Cozumel... how many of them realize they can Scuba and learn to Scuba while there? The same can be said for any destination. There are a lot of misconceptions out there about diving and in reality, that's our biggest problem. Scuba is in everyone's vocabulary and it's filed right beside "pipe dream", "unobtainable" and "too expensive".

I find that I'm fighting the same type of misconceptions as well. Imagine my surprise when a Scuba Board subscriber PM'd me and told me that she would love to come with me but she wasn't a tech diver. A dive shop in Stuart doesn't book trips because we are a research vessel. Yup, we do all that, but our bread and butter is single tank 80 foot recreational divers who want to take pictures of pretty fish. Obviously, I'm not using social media correctly. :wink:
 
I find that I'm fighting the same type of misconceptions as well. Imagine my surprise when a Scuba Board subscriber PM'd me and told me that she would love to come with me but she wasn't a tech diver. A dive shop in Stuart doesn't book trips because we are a research vessel. Yup, we do all that, but our bread and butter is single tank 80 foot recreational divers who want to take pictures of pretty fish. Obviously, I'm not using social media correctly. :wink:
I just looked at you website and if I'm ever in that part of the world I would go on your boat.
But, if you didn't mention in your above post that you mostly do fun recreational dive charters I never would have known that by glancing at your site.
 

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