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Student surveys should be done a year after the course and the first questions should be:

  1. are you actively diving?
  2. why not?
 
Great suggestion, might be some truly valuable information gained!

Hopefully, there would be more 'yesses" to the first question, negating the need to ask the second!
 
Steve you bring up some great well thought out points. Sound like a great instructor but many don't give their students that extra you do. Should they? That is a different thread. I will go back to my girl friends cert. First dives on a boat mid morning, out to dive site, do 2 dives and back at the dock, was a longer run so it was 1pm. Kill the rest of the day doing nothing. Next day do the next 2 dives in the same schedule and kill the rest of that day. This was a class of my gf and another couple that we now dive with. I got to swim around and watch. All 3 said they wish they could have finished the dives in 1 day, they were not stressed, they went through their paces. They felt more time for diving would have been good cause the 2nd day would have been for their first certed dive trips.

Now for those that are wondering, all 3 are great divers. The other couple did their confined water through a different shop than my GF. All 3 breezed through the skills and all 3 are good divers, have encountered issues, and dealt with them great so no I don't think they were short changed. Most important to some here, they are still diving, they all can't wait for the next trip and that takes up all of our vacations.

Again this option would not be for every instructor, every agency, ever kind of local condition. If you as an instructor want to take longer then that is between you and your paying students. I see where this option may help the industry as first proposed by the OP.

Love the idea of a customer satisfaction survey but there is important info to be gained right after and a year later so I would do both.

Happy diving to you all!!!
 
I look back at my initial open water course. That was 15 years ago (was 37 at the time) and I threw around 40-60 lb boxes all day long for a living, I wasn't in that bad of shape at the time. I came out to Kona and took the course, the instructor did a fairly lame and quick job of it, but by golly, at the end of the second day of dives after lunch and a beer.... I wasn't sure if I could make the dives I'd scheduled the next day. I was tired. I only got about two hours of total bottom time over two days (I really sucked down the air to start) and I was wiped out (sun could've been a big part of that). I ended up making the dives the next day after a good night's sleep and loved it. Afterwards I went home to Oregon and took the entire course over with the local YMCA guy and eventually got to instructor level before moving out here.

I try to remember personally how tiring those first diving experiences in Kona and Oregon were, and think of how many of my students over the years that likely couldn't handle a 4 dive day (sure several could, but I'm not sure if the bulk could) no matter how long the dives were, and I just can't see it as a positive thing in most situations. Unfortunately, if we could offer the one day checkout dive scenario, LOTS of divers would sign up... then LOTS of divers would be disappointed in not finishing in the allotted day. I see trying to make diving as an inclusive hobby/sport that can accommodate people of most all physical skill levels as being a good thing for the industry. From what I've seen over the years, given the choice, most people will take what sounds to be the easiest way. What often sounds like the easiest way doesn't always turn out to be the case, and it's potentially stressful. Lots of people tend to handle stress by quitting, rather than scheduling an extra day, then badmouthing whatever or whoever they've just quit. I'd suspect we'd see a lot more of that if the one day checkout dive option became a routine thing.

On the customer satisfaction thing... PADI supposedly sends out a certain portion of all students a survey shortly after the course, wouldn't surprise me if the other agencies do as well. I've gotten a couple "attaboys" over the years from people who've filled them out, but I suspect most go straight into the recycling pile/waste bin at customers home. The one year followup would be a great idea, but I suspect the people who are filling out the initial surveys are likely to be the divers who are more engaged to the hobby, and would be the same one's filling out the later ones and it'd be skewed enough that it wouldn't paint an accurate picture.

I personally don't think changing the length of the course by a day would really affect the number of divers out there. There are much bigger issues with the industry. Unfortunately, these days you just don't have as many local mom and pop shops teaching divers as you did a few decades (even years or months) back, and sadly it probably will get worse. The local stores and instuctors that were the backbone of the sport/hobby (in my mind anyways) are becoming more rare.
 
On the customer satisfaction thing... PADI supposedly sends out a certain portion of all students a survey shortly after the course, wouldn't surprise me if the other agencies do as well. I've gotten a couple "attaboys" over the years from people who've filled them out, but I suspect most go straight into the recycling pile/waste bin at customers home. The one year followup would be a great idea, but I suspect the people who are filling out the initial surveys are likely to be the divers who are more engaged to the hobby, and would be the same one's filling out the later ones and it'd be skewed enough that it wouldn't paint an accurate picture.


In the medical field, customer satisfaction surveys are sent out (100% in my facility). Our return rate is less than 5%..............Either folks REALLY liked you or they REALLY hated you. And yes, our forms are anonymous and already have a postage-paid envelope for return.
 
The OW checkout dive schedule is short enough as it is. I still have vivid memories of that weekend and the schedule was packed from a newbie perspective. Out the door by 7:30, in the water at around 9:00am, review, dive at 11:00am, then lunch, review, and last dive starting around 3:00pm, then review and done with day 1 by 5:00pm. That was a hectic day 1. One student came very close to dropping out as it was. Had she to complete a forth dive on day 1 she would have quit.

I believe there could be more time spent on CO dives, but it is what it is. I now do 4-6 dives a day, but I think that is more than most want to do. I like that pace, but that is me.

If they changed it to a one day checkout process a large number of shops would switch to the one day schedule and the new students would suffer IMO.
 
This has been an exceptional thread. I think that all the points on both sides have merit. My conclusion in the end is that 1 day checkouts can and will work... but they should not be an industry standard... rather an option for Instructors who have no more than two students, both of whom - along with their instructor are comfortable with and/or request a one day checkout... and who's aptitude and skills warrant this consideration.

Yes, we would be leaving this decision in the hands of some shops owners and Instructors who may take advantage of such an option... however, aren't these the same shop owners and Instructors who already sign off on students who aren't ready, rush them through with 15 minute checkout dives... wham bam the skills on the platform and done? I really don't think this is a valid argument against one day checkouts. There are plenty of very bad two day checkouts. I know without a doubt - that my one day checkouts would far exceed some Instructors two day checkouts in quality and finished product.

By limiting the 1 day checkout option to a maximum of two students and having a signoff form stating the students were prepared for, requested and are happy with the 1 day checkout... all bases are covered. I think the 1 day waiver should require the student to sign off at the end of the first day... and check a box that says they are 100% happy, satisfied and feel comfortable with their training or - check box two that says; After completing the one day checkout I find I am not yet comfortable and request a second day. If that box is checked - the Instructor is required to complete the second day. In other words, the Instructor and the students must be 100% certain all is good.
 
I could buy into that. In fact, I can think of two students I would have exercised that option with, so.... I think the idea has merit under ideal circumstances. Given current agency attention to QA, I still see it as a very slippery slope that would be abused.
 
I could buy into that. In fact, I can think of two students I would have exercised that option with, so.... I think the idea has merit under ideal circumstances. Given current agency attention to QA, I still see it as a very slippery slope that would be abused.
No question that it would be routinely abused, just as the concept of "mastery" has now been reduced to, "do it once, almost properly, and then rush on to the next skill on the cue card."
 

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