Major screw up-mostly my fault

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Lots of good arguments in this thread for surrendering the primary.

Indeed. Along with test-breathing the secondary before and during the dive :wink:


To ChanceTLU: Thanks for posting your experience! All of us have made mistakes, but it takes courage to admit a mistake in a widely-read public formum.

Two great things come from posting experiences like your's:

1. You'll generate discussion and hopefully get some good opinions and answers.

And even better:

2. Another new (or not so new) diver will read the thread, and just maybe avoid a fatal accident because they learned from your mistake.

Thanks again for sharing your experience.
 
This past weekend I went on my 10th and 11th open water dives and major screwed up, and now have lost all confidence as I feel that I almost killed myself.

Hopefully I get cleared at which time I will attempt to get a bunch of pool practice to regain my confidence before going out again.

I just wanted to get some of your thoughts on the above incident, and have any of you ever experienced an OOA incident and panicked?

Don't lose hope and confidence. This is part of the leaning process which is essential to being a safe diver. What you need is to learn from this experience, conquer your fears, and move forward. You've been doing great on your other dives. Try to focus on those achievements instead of dwelling too much on this one bad incident.:D Unfortunately, I do not have any OOA experiences to offer but I have a handful of uncontrolled ascents to share but those do not relate to your experiences...

Phil
 
Good to hear that you are cleared by the doctors, so go and dive, but make sure you choose a better dive buddy!!!

not cleared yet, I go in a month to the doc.
 
I have never tried breathing from my reg while its upside down in my mouth.I was taught that it would breathe wet.It appears that some will some wont.On the other hand I have been upside down and every other position and had no problems.The reg is upside down if Im upside down[turtleing] .Thats one that I cant explain.Any takers?:popcorn:
 
Glad you are ok and you learned something. Lucky my instructor told us about octos being upside down not delivering air but water. If he didnt tell me I would have been in the same boat as you. Who is to say if knowing this I wouldnt have panicked if I had it upside down. Happy diving. I am sure you will be fine.
 
I have never tried breathing from my reg while its upside down in my mouth. I was taught that it would breathe wet. It appears that some will some wont. On the other hand I have been upside down and every other position and had no problems. The reg is upside down if Im upside down[turtleing]. Thats one that I cant explain. Any takers? :popcorn:
When you hand a reg off (such as when sharing air), the body of the reg is full of water. As I noted above, with the exhaust openings on the surfaceward side of the reg, at least some of the water (possibly most of the water) will remain in the reg even in spite of attempts to clear it. (The air just goes out the top, leaving the water below it in the reg.)

When you don't remove the reg from your mouth, there isn't much of any water in the body of the reg, so you can continue breathing even while inverted. Still, some regulators will let a bit of water leak in past the exhaust valves (usually when you're exhaling, but possibly just because the valves don't *quite* seal perfectly). If you have a very small amount of leakage into the reg body, you may be able to stay inverted for some time before there is enough water inside to feel "wet". However long it takes, eventually there *will* be noticeable water in the reg, and the only way to clear it will be to tip away from inverted so the water can be expelled through the exhaust.

One trick to inverted reg breathing that I learned on ScubaBoard is to punctuate your exhalations. Don't just breathe out and let your exhale very slowly come to a stop (which will leave the exhaust slightly open much longer, giving more opportunity for water ingress). Instead, breathe out normally, but end your exhale more on a final "T" sound. It's hard to describe, but it seemed to work on a wet-breathing reg I tried (on my own regs, I can breathe while inverted with no water ingress almost regardless of how I breathe).

Anyway, the point? Fully clearing a reg is very difficult or impossible with it inverted, which means that the already-stressed receiving diver is going to get a lovely gulp of water with their air -- a bad idea, to be sure. On the other hand, if the reg is clear, as long as it's sealed in your mouth, you should be able to breathe it while inverted with little difficulty (but again, if you need to clear it, you'll have to tip back for a moment).
 
I trained with PADI. Due to where I currently live (Qatar), it is sometimes difficult to have checked/convey certain medical issues when checked. I had a full physical 16 months ago, am an avid weightlifter and squash player, so I considered myself at a good physical fitness level. After talking to some divers here, they made the chest tightness thing sound common and that it would be something that would clear up as I got more comfortable. I actually didn't even think about or remember the asthma issue until going to a doctor this week and he mentioned it could be a possibility. Because I have had absolutely no problems in 10 years and have never had an attack in my life, all through college football and other activities, I felt as though it was non-issue. In hindsight, it might have been a mistake, especially this weekend when I did two 50min dives in 93 degree water with a land temp of over 105. Since I am making a trip back to the states in a month, I will definitely get checked out now.


About 20 years ago some doctor entered a diagnosis of exercise induced asthma in my wife medical file. As a result she was told she could not dive. Two years ago she was snorkeling on the surface in Curacao while my daughter and I were diving below with Mark fro the Dive Bus.

During the surface interval Mark asked my wife why she did not dive and she told him the story. He indicated that my wife was doing well keeping us with us and asked her is she was wheezing and she said no.

He indicated that he had exercise induced asthma when he was younger and outgrew it. He suggested we contact DAN when we got home. My wife called DAN and they provided her with information to give to the pulmonary specialist.

He ran his own initial test which came up negative. He then sent her for a methycolene (sp?) challenge test suggested by DAN. They pumped the methylcolene (sp?) up the the maximum level and there was no hint whatsoever regarding exercise-induced asthma.

My whole point in this long explanation is that DAN can supply you doctor or the pulmonary specialist he/she refers you to with the proper medical information to make a valid assessment.
 
As I understand it, a methacholine challenge test (MCT) is the only definitive differential diagnosis for exercise induced asthma.
 
wow, that is crazy. i cut it close a couple of weeks ago. after the deep stop and safety stop i hit the surface with 166 psi left and it freaked me out a little. to close for comfort. Things like this are very good learning experiences. And i didn't know if the reg was upside down you would pull only water, i am going to try it with my regs and see what happens though. Thanks for sharing the experience.
 
ChanceTLU, You have received a lot of great veteran advice. From my limited experience, you did great. You didn't panic (stressed yes) but you attempted the right things. That demonstrates you have some natural skills. During our Advanced OW class one guy took his small tank on our deep dive. When we got to 120ft he had <1000 left and was out of air soon after that. Yet, he signaled our instructor (like you did) and they shared air back up to the surface.

He felt bad yet he did the right thing and didn't "go nuts".

From the little I can gather I think you have a great head on your shoulders and would be proud to dive with you.

Keep diving and have fun.
 
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