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Your chart is pretty limited. I am at work rather than home so I can't pull up the links but there are 2 or 3 sites with very extrensive tank comparision charts.

On a good tank comparision chart comparing specific models, for a given LP tank in the 80-104 cu ft capacity range, you can almost always find a 3442 psi tank that is very smiliar in external dimensions, weight and bouyancy traits. If you then look at the capacity of this very similar sized tank, you will ALWAYS find that it holds substantially more gas when both are at their rated pressures.

The tank with the larger rated gas capacity will obviously be more negative when full due to the greater weight of gas and will have a higher swing weight due to the greater volume that is used during a dive, so you have to compare the empty numbers rather than the full ones.

In Europe, it makes more sense as you rate tanks by internal volume and then can just mulitply that by the number of bars of pressure to get the tank's volume in liters at a given pressure. If you think about it, it works the same way here. The tensile stength of the steel used in a low pressure versus high pressure steel tank is different but the wall thickness is pretty similar. The extra strenght and higher rated pressure of the HP tank comes from stronger steel (or less conservative engineering safety margins, or a combinatiuon of the two, depending on who you talk to/believe) so wall thickness is therefore about the same as are overall empty weight and bouyancy when empty.

Consequently, two tanks of similar external size will have a similar internal volume. So if you fill one to 180 bar and fill the other to 232 bar, it's pretty obvious that even though they are the same exterior size, one is going to hold a lot more gas than the other.

That is exactly the case here. You have two similarly sized tanks but one is a low pressure 180 bar tank that cannot legaly be filled to exceed this pressure and the other is a higher pressure 232 bar tank that legally can be filled to the higher pressure and will legally hold a lot more gas.
 
The Faber tanks I dive in the US have a DOT rating that is far less than the European rating on the same tank outside of the US.

Note that the Faber tank you dive has no equivalent in Europe. They are not the same tank.. The European tanks have much stronger tensile strengths.
Usually Faber tanks here in the US have a tensile strength around 115,000psi to 123,000psi. European tanks, if I recall, are ~155,000psi tensile strength.
 
In Europe, it makes more sense as you rate tanks by internal volume and then can just mulitply that by the number of bars of pressure to get the tank's volume in liters at a given pressure. If you think about it, it works the same way here. The tensile stength of the steel used in a low pressure versus high pressure steel tank is different but the wall thickness is pretty similar. The extra strenght and higher rated pressure of the HP tank comes from stronger steel (or less conservative engineering safety margins, or a combinatiuon of the two, depending on who you talk to/believe) so wall thickness is therefore about the same as are overall empty weight and bouyancy when empty.

A x liter 300 bar tank weights quite a lot more compared to a x liter 200 bar tank. I dont know about the outside size or wall thickness but there are a real difference in weight. Close to 10 punds for 12 liter tanks.

The boyancy for a 300 bar tank is also more negative compared to a 200 bar tank.

My table say the same thing. It might exist other tanks but I couldn't find the large table.

Edit: a table from faber Faber Industrie a lot of different tanks. Higher presser heavier tanks.
 
Ok...you are going to have to move to the US where the exempt and special permit 3442 psi tanks are in fact a lot lighter than similarly sized low presssure 3AA tanks.

In Europe my guess is that if X liter 300 bar tank is heavier than x liter 200 bar tank, the walls are in fact a lot thicker. Which makes sense if both are designed with the same materials as the higher pressure tank would need more metal to deal with the higher wall stresses.
 
Try this site: TECHDIVINGLIMITED.COM for a good comparison chart of sizes and weights. I bought an LP108 as my usual dive boat fills LP 85's and it would be easier. I also bought into the short fill idea. If I had it to do again I would buy an HP 120. LP's are very heavy and larger for the volume you get.
 
two posters mentioned overfills in North Florida. I'm confused, what am I missing?
Thanks,
 
A lot of shops in North Florida like to give "cave fills" where they fill 2400+ PSI tanks to 3600-3900 PSI.
 
A lot of shops in North Florida like to give "cave fills" where they fill 2400+ PSI tanks to 3600-3900 PSI.

If you can get a fill to that level, then why not get an HP tank? :confused: Do they also fill HP tanks to 4800 psi?
 
If you can get a fill to that level, then why not get an HP tank? :confused: Do they also fill HP tanks to 4800 psi?

I completely agree, why not just use Hp tanks, but some guys just don't seem to be able to let go of overfilling Lp's. I've never heard of anyone overfilling Hp's to 4800, mind you not that many compressors can go that high, but either way overfilling Hp tanks just doesn't seem to be done nearly as much.
 
Yes, it seems to be possibly to find relatively light HP tanks for example faber FX. Seems to be similar in weight with the LP tanks with the same inside volume. Some HP tanks seems to be heavier though.

The european LP, HP tanks seems to be quite similar in size but HP are heavier for the same inside volume.
 

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