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I have a Valenciennea strigata (Yellow Head Sleeper Goby). They are amazing creatures, you can watch them for hours. I would not reccomend this fish to begginers, as they can be difficult to get feeding. If you do find one that is feeding, they are quite hardy. There will still be beneficial bacteria for the ammonia > nitrite > nitrate conversion in the sand bed.
 
Hey All- The beautiful thing about a plenum sandbed is it's very low maintenance. You can and should use sand stirrers as Kettle suggested, and vacuum the top inch or so gently. You only need to vacuum 2 or 3 times a year if your tank is properly stocked. You should also use a two part supplement, calcium reactor (the best) or something like "Aragamilk" to maintain your calcium. Using a Berlin Style kalkwasser drip can turn a sandbed into a cement chunk if you're not careful.

It is very important to make sure the bottom two inches of the sandbed is never disturbed. If you want a shrimp/goby combo or anything else that burrows, you need to put a screen down inside the sandbed to limit them to the top two inches or so..

I could write a book on this, but will try to summarize the benefits of the plenum system.

The anerobic area in the deep parts of the bed give two primary benefits to the system. The first one is Nitrate reduction. A regular filter only hosts aerobic bacteria, which breaks down fish waste to Ammonia, Nitrite, and finally Nitrate, which it leaves as a by product that accumulates in the system. The plenum system hosts anerobic bacteria that break down the Nitrate to Nitrogen gas which bubbles out if the bed. This "closes the circle" of nutrient removal, so to speak, and allows more Nitrate sensitve organisms like corals and other invertebrates to thrive.

The second major thing it does is manage PH and add trace elements. The aragonite that comprises the sandbed will start to dissolve when th PH is below 8. The microbial processes in the deep parts of the bed keep the PH lower, and the temp a little higher than in the rest of the tank. Thus, the deep bed is slowly but constantly conducting dissolved aragonite up into the system. This buffers the PH and the trace elements are perfect for coaral to add to thier skeletons, which are composed of aragonite.

The space on the bottom created by the plenum allows for more efficient dispersal of the nutrients in the bed. This keeps areas from becoming septic, and starting to rot. This is a danger in a deep bed that rests flat on the bottom.

I hope this helps, but I've probably just created as many questions as I've answered :rolleyes:

Scott
 
I'll be reading that one through a few times, but I think I've got the gist of it - Ta, Scott! I think that summarises it well.

Agreed with you on the enchantment of gobies, Kettle. They're mesmerising little suckers. I've spent a lot of time on dives or with friends' aquariums watching them perch up with their 'expressive' little faces (not really expressive in our sense of facial muscles, but they do look like they've got character!). Some of those shrimp gobies and their attendant shrimp are absolutely absorbing!
 
I'll be reading that one through a few times, but I think I've got the gist of it - Ta, Scott! I think that summarises it well.

Agreed with you on the enchantment of gobies, Kettle. They're mesmerising little suckers. I've spent a lot of time on dives or with friends' aquariums watching them perch up with their 'expressive' little faces (not really expressive in our sense of facial muscles, but they do look like they've got character!). Some of those shrimp gobies and their attendant shrimp are absolutely absorbing!
 
Thanks for that info, I will definately be going the DSB + plenum.

Shrimp gobies are amazing, unfortunately I don't think they are sold very often with a shrimp. At least they aren't over here. I have been trying to get my hands on a pair for a while, no luck. I am thinking that I will have to collect them myself.
 
Hello all,

Sorry if I got a bit nasty in some of those exchanges.

My feeling about the sub-sand plenums is that they take up a lot of vertical space. If you have a 24 inch deep aquarium, perhaps a 75 or 90 gallon, the appropriate sized plenum for a primarily invertibrate reef type tank will occupy about 6 inches of depth, assuming 2inches for the plenum and 4 inches of sand. For an aquarium with a substantial fish population, even that size may be inadequate.

I think that what ultimately matters are the outcomes; what actually happens inside the aquarium over time. Any good system that is utilized should do several things; some of the most important are that:
it should immediately eliminate ammonia and nitrates; it should reduce nitrates to a reasonably low level in a fish only tank, and be able to eliminate nitrates completely in a reef tank, even one with a small fish population; it should keep other parameters of aquarium chemistry, like alkalinity, ph, essential trace elements, oxygen levels, organics, etc., within acceptable levels assuming regular, though not excessively burdensome, water changes.

The filtration and water quality enhancement processes sub-sand plenums offer can be replicated, in my experience, through the use of thick, porous live rock, in both the aquarium itself, and in a capacious sump. Nitrate reduction will take place very efficiently within the rock core, as well as in other areas. A very fine "live" sand bed no more than an inch thick in the tank and/or the sump is also very effective, especially if some of the sand is replaced once or twice a year. If you are fortunate to have accesss to naturally occuring coral sand, it will come with a ready made population of stirrers and movers. Small crabs, hermits, etc., are very efficient. Various sea worms are probably the most useful, and provide natural food sources, along with the tiny copepods and other minute life that live in the rock. Seeding works, but is much slower, and provides a much less diverse population of tiny critters. After a year or two, the aquarium will develop its own ecological balances, especially if it has few or no fish present. A couple of gobies, Grammas, and the like are no problem.

I have nothing against the subsand plenums developed in semi-open systems in Monaco, except for the vertical space consumed. I also think a reef tank with a good amount of live rock will eventually stabilize into a system that does everything the Joubert type systems do, if bio loads are kept low, the right sort of thick rock is used, and there is good strong water movement in all parts of the aquarium. Water changes are essential in any system, and should provide sufficient trace elements in a system with lots of live rock. Additives for alkalinity, redox, etc., should be kept to an absolute minimum. They tend to create reciprocal problems that feed on each other and create unnecessary endless cycles of measurement, addition of chemicals, more measurements, more chemicals, more worry, more measurements, more additive adjustments, ad infinitum.

Change your water. Let natural systems develop. Keep the water moving. Keep bio loads very light. It's a simple formula that has worked for me for a long time. Over the years I discarded all sorts of reactors, generators, and other stuff. I have found that simplicity and naturally occuring natural processes work beautifully. In addition, various catastrophies and crashes are less likely. Natural systems like the kind I described can also handle power blackouts much better than more complex arrangements.
 
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My feeling about the sub-sand plenums is that they take up a lot of vertical space. If you have a 24 inch deep aquarium, perhaps a 75 or 90 gallon, the appropriate sized plenum for a primarily invertibrate reef type tank will occupy about 6 inches of depth, assuming 2inches for the plenum and 4 inches of sand. For an aquarium with a substantial fish population, even that size may be inadequate.


That's the primary reason for the rising popularity of the large sump/plenum. I felt the plenum really helped stabilize my water parameters, but I hated how much room it took up in the main aquarium.

After I move, I'm going to set up a large sump with plenum, and an egg crate rack system so I can also load the sump with live rock and still leave the entire top of the sandbed uncovered.

Hopefully, I can find a place to put the aquarium with a utility closet on the other side of the wall. I'd like to hide everything on the other side, and add a large vat to the system to increase the overall water volume.
 
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