Trip Report *live* Indo Aggressor Komodo deep South trip quarantine @ LBJ March 2024

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How about liveaboard.com?
Both parties washed their hands on this irresponsible, ridiculous business practice.
Put the clients on the boat and the trip is completed!!! No need to start the engine.
Really eye opening.
 
I had previously been on this same trip in 2022 & truely enjoy diving in central & South Komodo with help of the same fine crew.

So I jumped on the booking with liveaboard.com when there was a holiday special without hesitation. On hind sight now, I wished I had dug deeper into how Aggressor handles problems with several "eyebrow raising" reports online.

At the moment (3/13), we are "stuck" on board Indo Aggresor in Labuan Bajo harbor as the Harbor Master had shut down the harbor since 3/9 from 3/11 til 3/16 due to weather, while the boat Indo Aggressor were scheduled to disembark on 3/11 to 3/18. Only smaller speed/day boats were allowed exit and entry.

Of the 12 guests, none of us were notified of the situation until we were braught onboard on 3/11 given many of us had been in transit half way around the world. But most of us had entered Indo by 3/9 or 3/10 so could have re-plan accodingly. Some of us learned about it from other canceled liveaboard travelers in town.

Instead, the crew were instructed to quickly bring us on board 3/11 and go through the motion of setup then to be given the "old" news of harbor lock down from 3/11-3/16 and the trip is canceled for those day while we were also sugguested to consider the option of making alternative plans or wait for the harbor to hopefully reopen on 3/16 & dive 2 days. Some travelers in town that were informed early had already got out in time while we scrambled to find no out bound flights available for the next day or 2 since it was a bit late.

Not to mention being baited to the situation so the trip would be considered commensed and received the news from Aggressor & Liveaboard.com quickly the next day that the trip is not consider cancelled as we are accommodated on board in port. No refund or compensation will be given especially for those choosing to leave early. We were suggested to consult with travel insurance.

So from the deliberate withheld of the situation, precious time is now lost nevermind the costs of the Aggresor booking.

In a stark contrast, some of us who are friends of other liveaboards in town learned that some cancelled and provided some refund to guest while those not cancelled provided diving accomodations via local dive shops. Today a group of us on Indo aggressor paid for a boat to take them out.


The shut down was known 2 days in advance yet not delivered to us until getting onboard certainly felt deliberate & the "lack of" offer a tough pill to swallow. Reminiscent of corporate practices of maximizing profit and minimizing liability at the expense of customer & staff.

Though this certainly seem like a first world problem complaint and no one would certainly want to knowingly set sail in a potentially dangerous trip; especially when a couple found that their lower deck cabin door leading to the escape hatch was jammed. BTW, not as many cockroaches this time but they will come out to say good night.

Hope this will help some to make informed decision and strongly consider the crazy expensive travel insurance these days.
Update 3/15

About half of the guests now remain on board since rebooking flights & hotel mean more money & time lost for them. The rest just "bit the bullet" and walked the plank. Port is to remain closed for 3/16 which was suppose to open. 3/17 is last day of dive trip is not guarantee either.
 

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I had previously been on this same trip in 2022 & truely enjoy diving in central & South Komodo with help of the same fine crew.

So I jumped on the booking with liveaboard.com when there was a holiday special without hesitation. On hind sight now, I wished I had dug deeper into how Aggressor handles problems with several "eyebrow raising" reports online.

At the moment (3/13), we are "stuck" on board Indo Aggresor in Labuan Bajo harbor as the Harbor Master had shut down the harbor since 3/9 from 3/11 til 3/16 due to weather, while the boat Indo Aggressor were scheduled to disembark on 3/11 to 3/18. Only smaller speed/day boats were allowed exit and entry.

Of the 12 guests, none of us were notified of the situation until we were braught onboard on 3/11 given many of us had been in transit half way around the world. But most of us had entered Indo by 3/9 or 3/10 so could have re-plan accodingly. Some of us learned about it from other canceled liveaboard travelers in town.

Instead, the crew were instructed to quickly bring us on board 3/11 and go through the motion of setup then to be given the "old" news of harbor lock down from 3/11-3/16 and the trip is canceled for those day while we were also sugguested to consider the option of making alternative plans or wait for the harbor to hopefully reopen on 3/16 & dive 2 days. Some travelers in town that were informed early had already got out in time while we scrambled to find no out bound flights available for the next day or 2 since it was a bit late.

Not to mention being baited to the situation so the trip would be considered commensed and received the news from Aggressor & Liveaboard.com quickly the next day that the trip is not consider cancelled as we are accommodated on board in port. No refund or compensation will be given especially for those choosing to leave early. We were suggested to consult with travel insurance.

So from the deliberate withheld of the situation, precious time is now lost nevermind the costs of the Aggresor booking.

In a stark contrast, some of us who are friends of other liveaboards in town learned that some cancelled and provided some refund to guest while those not cancelled provided diving accomodations via local dive shops. Today a group of us on Indo aggressor paid for a boat to take them out.


The shut down was known 2 days in advance yet not delivered to us until getting onboard certainly felt deliberate & the "lack of" offer a tough pill to swallow. Reminiscent of corporate practices of maximizing profit and minimizing liability at the expense of customer & staff.

Though this certainly seem like a first world problem complaint and no one would certainly want to knowingly set sail in a potentially dangerous trip; especially when a couple found that their lower deck cabin door leading to the escape hatch was jammed. BTW, not as many cockroaches this time but they will come out to say good night.

Hope this will help some to make informed decision and strongly consider the crazy expensive travel insurance these days.
Hi Tsuyoshi (Jason), Undercurrent would like to hear from you first-hand. Please email me john@undercurrent.org. See if you can get anybody else stuck on board to do the same.
 
Wow. I am so sorry to hear about this. That’s outrageous. Going in the off season has its weather risks and while they can’t control weather, they did not do their part in notifying everyone. That is incredibly frustrating and I don’t blame you for never trusting them again. I see where they are coming from regarding travel insurance, but I can’t help but also see they seemed to have devious intentions when they had everyone board and didn’t attempt to reach out to any of you.

Is pursuing a chargeback on your credit card possible while detailing the bait to get you guys on board? They should have canceled and knew sailing wasn’t possible yet still got you on board to to say the trip “commenced”.

For anyone curious, Dive Assure’s liveaboard coverage should have applied to this weather event. While it says captain’s discretion, I imagine port authority would also qualify since that has higher authority. The fine print is below.

Liveaboard Rider - Optional coverage (Deluxe and Elite plans only)
Provided an additional premium had been paid for 'Liveaboard Rider', the Insurer will pay in addition to coverage provided by the plan purchased (Deluxe or Elite only) also for the following:
1. Missed connection resulting in missing the liveaboard or in additional cost to join it.
Coverage: up to 90% of trip cost or the maximum specified by the declared trip value.
Missed Liveaboard departure due to airline delays and subject to terms and conditions outlined in the policy for validity of claim.
Trip cancellation due to sinking of the liveaboard boat. Coverage is subject to the 20% co-insurance for cancellation of liveaboard trips. An additional 20% deductible will be applied in case the liveaboard company will offer a credit on a future trip, which will not be used by the Insured within 365 days from the date of the original Trip.
4. Lost diving days due to the following reasons:
4.1.1
Medical inability to dive.
4.2. Weather conditions not enabling diving/sailing as supported by marine and weather forecast (required) not enabling diving/sailing per captain's discretion (excluding limited visibility conditions). Coverage: 100% of liveaboard trip cost divided by number of unavailable diving days not to exceed $250 p/diving day with a maximum coverage of $1,000.
4.3. Diving accident to other passenger on boat causing the boat to abort planned diving.
4.4. Expenses not reimbursed by the tour operator for Mechanical breakdown to liveaboard boat causing evacuation of passengers and/or aborting trip.
4.5. Expenses not reimbursed by the tour operator for default/mechanical breakdown to air supply on board liveaboard boat during your dive trip.
5. Mechanical Failure of the "Liveaboard Vessel": Whereas coverage is conditional upon the total and complete failure of the scheduled vessel resulting in cancellation prior to departure from the point of origin or curtailment of the trip once underway. You would be eligible for the economy non-refundable airfare to reach the destination and return home in the event the failure occurred after initial departure. Any fees or expenses associated with Your attempting to re-schedule with another vessel are not eligible for any further compensation.
Validity: Liveaboard Rider may only be purchased if You have entered a contract with a liveaboard accommodation that is greater than 24 hours in duration and is not considered a day trip. Day trip is defined as any period less than 24 hours regardless of accommodation.

Please keep us posted on what happens as you continue to pursue the matter. Write then formally to ask them for a statement of facts on the dates of port closures and when it was announced by the port authority. if they refuse, you have proof of this. Also seek out statements from your fellow travelers.
 
Saw this on another forum. I feel bad for anyone taking up anything with insurance as that will be one more big frustrating headache. It seems like Wonderpus and others have a much better policy and were more helpful to their divers!

“Hostage on Aggressor dive boat.

Flights are booked, hotels are reserved and off we go from Los Angeles to Indonesia to stay on the Indo Aggressor Liveaboard for seven days. Once arrived, we were picked up at our hotel from the staff on the boat. We boarded and proceeded to get to our cabin, set up our dive gear and get prepped for 7 days of world class diving. I noticed when we had entered our room that there was a piece of duct tape covering the door switch latch. I thought this was strange, but didn’t pay much attention. The next morning I tried to leave the room and was locked inside. I pulled and tugged for 10 minutes, trying to open the door, but to no avail. The knob would turn, but the door latch was in permanent lock position. I proceeded to pound on the walls, having to awaken other guests to help us get out. They went and got the crew and it took them 20 minutes to get the door open. Fire hazard, I think so!!! This was my first red flag. Later that day we were in a briefing of the trip and notified that the weather is bad, and we are not leaving the dock and the trip was canceled but we were welcome to stay on board and they would feed us. After sitting around with the 12 other Dive guests, we quickly realized that this boat is the only one in the entire fleet of this massive Liveaboard harbor that has guests on board. One of our guests mentioned that there was another person in the hotel that had said the harbor had been shut down for two days prior to us getting on board, and she had tried to book 3 other boats, but none of them would accept her money because they knew the boats were not gonna be leaving due to the shut down for five days, possibly more. The Aggressor put us on this boat, knowing full well that they were not leaving the port, and taking our money and saying that the trip was not canceled. Mind you, most of us on this boat have spent between $7,000 to $10,000 US per couple to get here and pay for the boat. Feeling outraged, we collectively started doing more research and reached out to the vice president of Aggressor, Larry Speaker. His answer was simple, “the trip is not canceled; you are welcome to stay, and we will provide you food and housing in hopes that we will be able to leave the port and take you diving but if you feel like you would like to leave the ship, you’re welcome to do that as well. We suggest you turn this into your trip insurance company if you have any and see if they will reimburse you, but this trip is not canceled and we will not be giving any refunds at all.” Outraged, to say the least, most of the guests started contacting their travel agency to book Hotels, and flights out of Labuan Bajo. This proved to be quite difficult as we were about three days behind the ball from lack of communication, and everything in the town was booked. Flights to Bali were slim pickens because of the thousands of other guests on the other live aboards in the port, had already started doing the same thing. After six other guests had left the boat, we decided to stay on board and wait it out rather than spend even more money on a hotel, food and flights. We were trying to be positive in a bad situation, and hoped that the port opens up so we can go diving, our goal for this entire trip. There are two Dive dinghies for this large live aboard so we asked the Cruise Director if we could have them take us for a small cruise through the Harbor as an activity. His response was, I don’t know if I can, let me check with the office. Can you take us snorkeling here in the bay or at least go swimming? I don’t know, let me check with the office. After a full day of sitting on the boat, they approved us to go out for a small drive through the Harbor. We stopped by one of the other liver boards, “wounderpus” to visit one of my friends, the cruise Director from two previous trips, and his staff. I asked him where his guests were, and why they were not on the boat. He replied, we have paid for hotels, we are paying for them to go out on the small speed boats that are allowed to go out for day trips for diving, and are refunding them 60% of each days value they missed due to the shut down in the harbor. What a great example of how to handle a bad situation! Absolutely shocked that there are small speed boats going out for diving to local spots, we were not even offered this from the Aggressor. I contacted Larry Speaker and he simply said, “No, we will not be offering anything like this. We will feed you and house you, that’s it and you are welcome to leave.”
We have come all this way and if this is the only way to get out to dive, let’s do it! 3 dives for 2 people was $320.00 US.
The day was great and when we got back to the local shop “sea creatures” I meet the American owner of the shop and was telling him our story. He was shocked. He told me that all of the local dive shops here have an understanding with all of the Live aboard boats that if they can not get out to dive and they send them there to their shop they will discount the cost by half to help! Aggressor would not even agree to do that! Scooter rentals for the day are $10US would they pay for that? Nope!
Day 5 two more guests have left for better pastures and we are down to 4. The waters and wind are still flat but the harbor master has continued the shut down for 4 more days! Everyone in this town is shaking their heads in disgust.
We are making the best of our time stuck in port by renting scooters for the day, going to local waterfalls and caves and trying not to go stir crazy.
Last day on the boat and the harbor is open!!! Of course it is at 1:00pm and we have flights out the next morning.
Final thoughts…
We can not change the “weather” but we can change our attitudes. To the Aggressor and VP Lary Speaker there is so much you could have done to make our dream trip a good one. It’s the small things like being honest with us to begin. Realizing the distance all of us have traveled to get here and the thousands of dollars we have spent on the trip and to do NOTHING? Shame on you! You had no fuel cost, little staff cost and you did not even say I am sorry. Just NO to any suggestions we brought to you. Paying for $10 dollar scooters, put together a land event, pay half price to the speed boats so we can do some diving, maybe dinner on land for the group. I was even denied close line clips from the staff to hang my close out on the line. That’s ok Lary I went into town and bought you a 20 pack for a 80 cents so you have them on the dive boat for the next group you rip off! Please address the fire hazards on your boats! It just may save a life, or do you care?
It’s not the things that make a man great, it’s the man that makes things great! Lary Speaker and the Aggressor are just a poor excuse of a company. When things go great on your boats it’s not a worry for you but when things go really wrong, like this trip did, you should have been the man to help make this as good as possible and you did nothing but take our money and run!
Please share this with anyone you know who is a diver.”
 
This isn't "eyebrow raising".

This is outrageous.

It poisons the Aggressor name and tarnishes the industry as a whole. If, 2 days before flight day, I received a call from the LOB operator that the harbormaster had closed the harbor for the next week due to weather, I'd be thankful for the heads up, dispirited by the weather, hopeful for a quick re-schedule, miffed by the flight change fees, but I'd least have TRUSTED the LOB operator to provide useful, timely information, and I'd have gladly rescheduled. This is outright theft of your money and clearly not giving a flying fuhk about you as a human being. You're just a human- skinned sack of greenbacks to them.

There is absolutely no way in hell I'd book an Aggressor trip anywhere on this planet after reading this. I'll take my chances with a boatload of German smokers on one of those ex-emirati spaceships they seem to flock to.
It took this story for you to decide to never book an Aggressor? The ~25 other (well documented) horrible stories didn't do it? Glad you read this one...

The Aggressor fleet is a franchised marketing entitity, the brand means very little in terms of service, etc. At one point it may have, however this business model is on its last legs... Book independent LoBs, with strong track records for customer serivce or caveat emptor.
 
I'll add this experience to the reasons I don't do LOBs.
Then I guess you're not interested in diving a number of the best sites in the world, in the Galapagos, in the Philippines, in Indonesia, in Costa Rica.

This isn't about LoBs, it's about diving in the off season (where there can be extreme weather) and the Aggressor brand specifically.
 
Then I guess you're not interested in diving a number of the best sites in the world, in the Galapagos, in the Philippines, in Indonesia, in Costa Rica.

This isn't about LoBs, it's about diving in the off season (where there can be extreme weather) and the Aggressor brand specifically.
I do it from shore for ⅒ the cost.
 

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