LGBTQ Divers?

[Rhone Man]

Straight people have no idea how much of their sexuality they convey in every day living and what they talk about, that LGBT people just do not have the freedom to do. I can see the appeal of having a dive club around shared interests, whether they are diving or other characteristics.

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Basically most posters here are completely missing the point about why someone would be interested in organising a LGBT club/dive event.

I have to say, I do feel I have learned something reading through this thread. I had really never thought about some of these issues before.

 

[ccx2]

Why don't you start a club (op) for people who won't have to worry about whether someone is worried about what someone else is worried about. I'll be one of your first members.
We could call it the Club for AbNormal people, CANP.

 

[DiverBeth]

Sheesh...Haven't Gays ,Homosexuals,Queers,Lesbiens ,whatever they are being called this month been trying to be accepted by society since forever and now that they basically are you want to start a separate but equal club? Why not just join a club ,don't advertise that you are gay,just as others don't advertise that they are heterosexual ? Why bring sex into it at all? Isn't that what you all have wanted all along ,to be accepted as you are?

The fact is most heterosexuals do advertise their heterosexual. When men talk about their wives/girlfriends and women about their husbands/boyfriends they're stating they're heterosexual. I don't have a problem with that but if I started talking about my girlfriend (single right now :depressed it might bother a couple of people from the group I usually dive with. Of course I do know most of the people I dive with couldn't care less about my orientation.

 

[jmasin]

I don't have a problem with that but if I started talking about my girlfriend (single right now :depressed it might bother a couple of people from the group I usually dive with.

I am admittedly ignorant of the environment that non-hetero people have to experience; however, let them be bothered!! Obviously if you think you'd feel endangered that's an entirely different story, but if they are simply bothered, and feel awkward, screw 'em! That's their problem. BE YOU!

Again, I know that's probably altruistic and easy for me to say. While I can sympathize I cannot by definition empathize, so take what I say with a grain of salt. But I do come from and work/live in a world where I simply don't GAS what you like to do, where you are from and who/what you believe in as long as we can peacefully enjoy our common threads.

 

[BVickery]

Its very much a circle. It seems many who try and support the legitimacy of a LBGT dive club go to the whole awkwardness felt from other people. If you take a moment and look at it, that awkwardness is trying to adapt to something new and unusual to them.

You can't cry out for acceptance of how you live your life to others if your unwilling to live your life in the open so people can get used to this change. Race relations didn't just happen, courts struck down unconstitutional laws and it was up to the individual black man/women to finish it one person at a time through simple interaction. A major cultural change doesn't occur overnight or in short term, it will take generations to break down such concrete barriers some people built up, and unfortunately, some people will resist all attempts to break ti down.

Best of luck to it all, and hopefully my point of view as a straight person looking at this subject helps you as well. Just like the gay POV helps me understand some aspects of this that I can't get from my normal POV.

 

[Sas]

I am admittedly ignorant of the environment that non-hetero people have to experience; however, let them be bothered!! Obviously if you think you'd feel endangered that's an entirely different story, but if they are simply bothered, and feel awkward, screw 'em! That's their problem. BE YOU!

Easy for you to say as a hetereosexual and without the experience of hanging around people who are uncomfortable of you. People do not have to, and should not have to be fighting for acceptance in every aspect of their life.

Sheesh...Haven't Gays ,Homosexuals,Queers,Lesbiens ,whatever they are being called this month been trying to be accepted by society since forever and now that they basically are you want to start a separate but equal club? Why not just join a club ,don't advertise that you are gay,just as others don't advertise that they are heterosexual ? Why bring sex into it at all? Isn't that what you all have wanted all along ,to be accepted as you are?

You are the type of person these clubs help people avoid.

 

[ccx2]

Sas, thanks for the prejudgement of me, i guess that makes you like you think i am.
My point is now that they are accepted in society dont seclude themselves. They want to be able to blend in and now that they can they seem to have their own hang ups about themselves and feel a need to start a separate club.

 

[ccx2]

Sas, thanks for the prejudgement of me, i guess that makes you like you think i am.
My point is now that they are accepted in society dont seclude themselves. They want to be able to blend in and now that they can they seem to have their own hang ups about themselves and feel a need to start a separate club.

 

[Sas]

My point is now that they are accepted in society

No that is far from the case. The lack of equal rights being a good example.

Your words are what I am judging you on, that is all I have to go on and they show a great ignorance about what LGBT people have to face.

 

[ccx2]

No that is far from the case. The lack of equal rights being a good example.

Your words are what I am judging you on, that is all I have to go on and they show a great ignorance about what LGBT people have to face.


Ok you win.
Northeastdiver,good luck.