LDS vs Online Shopping

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marcosdutra

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Where should I buy?

Why the lds's are so expensive?

Why some people are afraid to buy online?

What is the truth? Which is better?


Tell us what you think and tell your experience about it.
 
Where the stuff you want to buy is.

Relatively speaking, to enable you to build physical relationships
in order to enjoy divings challenges.

Some people are afraid.

Where the stuff you want to buy is.

Where the stuff you want to buy, that enables you to build
physical relationships in order to enjoy divings challenges is.


The LDS owners wife cooks a great meal when I'm over for dinner.

The LDS managers fridge is always full of refreshing things.

The LDS instructor doesn't require my non existent logs, or courses.

I'm a big handshaker.
 
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Where should I buy?

You buy where you can buy with confidence and in good conscience. If you need the assistance of the LDS, buy there. If you know you will end up buying online, don't screw the LDS out of consultation services. Look it up yourself. Don't be a jerk. Otherwise, it's a debatable matter of spending more to support the local LDS, etc., the stuff of endless arguments, another of which you have no doubt instigated.

Why the lds's are so expensive?

Lower volume. More expensive storefront. Covering the cost of other diver services. Dealership minimum price agreements. Same reason every other brick and mortar store is higher than online, since there's no Scuba WalMart.

Why some people are afraid to buy online?

They don't want to deal with any issues with someone they can't physically meet and talk to. They don't know enough about the gear they're buying. They got burned once in an online purchase. Who knows. They should shop the LDS, then. The savings isn't worth the worry.

What is the truth? Which is better?

There is no "better." There's only which trade-offs you're comfortable with and your personal philosophy of what you ought to do to help out the LDS and whether they deserve it or at least are worth it to you.

Tell us what you think and tell your experience about it.

I think it comes down pretty much to what sort of shopper you are in general, what's in your buying DNA. I mean, although I am a bargain hunter with a congenital aversion to paying retail for anything, including scuba gear, and am not ashamed of a sweater from Goodwill, I figure that over the useful life of the scuba gear, by far the bulk of the cost of the sport is in travel, fills, maintenance, etc., and the difference in price between LDS and online is a small percentage of the total. And you can't just look at the price tag. Tanks, for instance. Not a whole lot of difference when shipping is considered, and I get free fills for a year with new LDS tanks. Sure. I'd by a used one for cheap, but it would have to be real cheap. And I buy wetsuits from LDS, because I have to try them on, and it would be chickens--t to burn LDS time and not buy from them to save that little bit of money.

In fact, why not go down to the LDS and ask them why you should buy from them and not online. If they tell you that only their dealership brand of gear is any good, you learned they're liars, and you're can look for another LDS. If they get pissed off that you would even consider that you could buy elsewhere, walk away from the angry trolls and buy elsewhere. But, if they're straight up, though, and friendly, with good reasons, you maybe found a good outfit worthy of your support. Do your own research to see if they really are good reasons, and do what seems best. And you can always give an LDS a chance to get close to the online price. Same rules apply if they lie or get mad that you looked online. Go elsewhere. And I personally never, ever buy from anyone who badmouths the competition or competing products.
 
Are you asking for information or trying to start the old battles again?
 
There is no truth. Go with your own comfort level.
Rarely to the local dive shops actually have what I'm looking for anyway.

Where should I buy?

Why the lds's are so expensive?

Why some people are afraid to buy online?

What is the truth? Which is better?


Tell us what you think and tell your experience about it.
 
I really, really would love to buy everything from my LDS. Unfortunately their selection is limited, and I have tried using other LDS on the island to buy things to keep money in the local economy. I've ended up hitting two problems, and I suspect that while both exist universally they seem more pronounced here:
1. Sometimes the LDS cannot deliver products when I need them due to how their supply chain through the distributor works. 99% of the time timeliness is only a minor inconvenience so I buy through my LDS.
2. The other problem I've had is prices on island being significantly higher then what it would cost me to purchase and ship from an online retailer. In fact as I paid about $40.00 over retail for my Hollis F-1 fins I've restricted my buying on island to the shop I intern with because I see the receipts and I know I am not getting f'd in the a.

I go back and forth on whether I'll allow one bad experience to sour my view of buying at an LDS, and I am sure it'll change when I get back to the mainland, but for now I'll quite happily buy from the shop I intern with and if they can't get I'll look online.

Michael
 
Here's a couple prior discussions to get you started.

http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/basic-scuba-discussions/363844-diver-survey-online-purchasing.html
http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/basic-scuba-discussions/355145-lds-vs-line-purchase.html
http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/ba...uch-you-willing-pay-your-lds-over-online.html
http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/basic-scuba-discussions/339259-bought-online-again.html
http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/basic-scuba-discussions/283910-lds-vs-online-purchases.html

Personally I'm an online shopper - for pretty much any bigger ticket item - it's just the way I am. Doesn't help that we aren't exactly in Scuba Central, USA so what few dive shops we have are not really loaded with gear.

I do still buy smaller items and rent tanks and get regs serviced at LDS, but if I need to buy something, and they don't have it in stock, I'm more than likely ordering from Leisure Pro (being in NY, if I order today, it's here tomorrow).
 
The LDS is at a disadvantage in being an authorized dealer for certain lines. Go 10% below MAP on anything but approved or discontinued items and the manufacturer shuts off supply. The same manufacturers that cut off the LDS seem to do a fairly poor job of closing the loopholes in their distribution chain that supplies online dealers. Those dealers aren’t getting all that gear just from stores going out of business. The other disadvantage that the LDS faces is sales tax. They have to collect it if they are in a state that charges sales tax.

We live in interesting times. We all want Wal-Mart prices for the things others sell, but few of us want to sell our own services or products for Wal-Mart prices or work for Wal-Mart wages.
 
The LDS is at a disadvantage in being an authorized dealer for certain lines. Go 10% below MAP on anything but approved or discontinued items and the manufacturer shuts off supply. The same manufacturers that cut off the LDS seem to do a fairly poor job of closing the loopholes in their distribution chain that supplies online dealers. Those dealers aren’t getting all that gear just from stores going out of business. The other disadvantage that the LDS faces is sales tax. They have to collect it if they are in a state that charges sales tax.

We live in interesting times. We all want Wal-Mart prices for the things others sell, but few of us want to sell our own services or products for Wal-Mart prices or work for Wal-Mart wages.

What keeps that LDS from offering free air cards, credits towards training, or free or discounted service in order to provide value equal to or better than the online dealer offers? An LDS has the means to be more competitive if that is what it want to do. It does not have to cry to the customer that it just can't offer competitive deals because of manufacturer restriction. It will not work if the custom's spending limits will not allow him to take advantages of the LDS value but I just don't see many shops even trying. They would rather get full MSRP (or more) from the shrinking number of customers they can fool with their sad story.
 

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