Large Scale Rescue Scenarios

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I am part of a club and about 6 of us got our rescue diver cert together. I am thinking of trying to put a large scenario together to test and hone our skills. Getting a cert is one thing, though I would like to be prepared as best as I can if a situation like this occurs.

Has anyone done a scenario a little more extensive than the ones you do in class? Including involvement in non-rescue divers and maybe even the local rescue (i.e coastguard). I was thinking of running a few different scenarios through out the day, where people would have to react to different situations and try to make things a lot more difficult.

The rescue class was hard and I learned a lot from that, though it made me think that I should be best prepared in case of an accident.

-Doron
 
First of all, be sure that the "person in charge" of running the scenario is an insured diving instructor, else you maybe taking on a bit more than you're planning on.

The rescue classes that we used to run both in Sonoma County and in Rhode Island generally involved 20 to 50 divers, local PSD types, the USCG (and often a helicopter). I believe the Catalina Chamber program is similar. It is no small undertaking, this programs are typically a year in the planning and involve a staff of a dozen or more instructors.

If you're looking for something "bigger and better" than the rescue class you took, might I recommend that you contact LifeGuard Systems to see if they have a program near you that would suit your interests.
 
Has anyone done a scenario a little more extensive than the ones you do in class? Including involvement in non-rescue divers and maybe even the local rescue (i.e coastguard).

While you're free to do what you can until they arrive, an emergency on Lake Ontario would be handled by calling 911, which would bring the Sheriff, the coast guard and possibly others. There is no shortage of available emergency vessels on the lake from both the US and Canada.

It's unlikely you would be able to enlist the help of any of them for an "exercise" since they have their own training and schedules.

flots.
 
The rescue class was hard and I learned a lot from that, though it made me think that I should be best prepared in case of an accident.

-Doron

I felt the same way, and its difficult to reason at what point are you "prepared" for what might arise.

In the first year after taking rescue, I had at least 3 incidence that drew upon my rescue training. In each case, I think I responded appropriately and the training kicked in largely on a subconscious level which says alot for the training.

Now 3 years after the course Im not sure I would respond as well. It would be a great benefit for me at this stage to refresh the course skills.
 
We do have many instructors and DM in our club. I spoke the club and everyone seemed interested and thought it would be a great idea.
 
I think rescue skills, like other skills, need to be maintained through practice and refreshers. But the basic skills are reviewable without "big scenarios." Review your emergency first aid medical materials often. Review you DAN books on treatment of marine life injuries often, and make sure your first aid kit is full of everything you need, and that items are not "expired." Read and talk through the protocols for the scenarios you have done. Dive emergencies you may encounter will likely involve something you have done in your class. Out of air diver, entanglement, and the like can be reviewed on land or water. You don't need a big production to review and rehearse. With a good size group and an instructor, you can certainly create a "rescue refresher course" something I am thinking about bring up with my LDS owner after reading your post!
DivemasterDennis
 
You should start by creating a list of 20 or so near-missess. Accidents that did not lead to drowning. And discuss those in a group meeting. There is no mystery to diving accidents (at least to the person that dies) it is in 95 percent an addition of several very simple factors. A true rescue diver thinks and plans diving to avoid any need of rescue. I am a public safety diver, now in reserve, and I can tell you that the rescue scenarios that we were active in were recoveries. By the time you sound the alert, it is usually too late.
What you should concentrate on is working on proper team diving, proper dive planning and work through the scenarios that you are likely to encounter where you dive - is it silt (proper buoyancy), tired diver tow due to currents or surf, buddy separation, etc etc. Life is not tv, if you have to look for a missing diver on the bottom, you are probably not bringing them back alive.
Practice the skills you will actually need -and discuss in the group what they are.
Now for instructors and assistants we routinely hold group exercises targeted towards out of water extractions, CPR and search. Should this be on your priority list? CPR, yes, as you never know when you will need to use it, and it does save lives.
As for underwater search for missing diver- I would put it so much further down the list than group diving skills, dive technique, gear and dive planning and surface support....

An example of three real-life accidents that a rescue diver (whether certified officially or not) could easily avoid and that would be classified as "death by drowning" if the involved were not very lucky....

scenario 1 - diver dives with a new ice hood (small mouth opening), does not do shallow training dive with new piece of gear, decides to play cool tech diver without proper training, so when his buddy experiences a freeflow, takes out his reg out of mouth to donate primary (det is wat dem cool cave divers do) but cannot switch to his secondary (octopus) due to mouth opening on ice hood being too small. Free emergency ascent from 12 meters, abandoned buddy.

scenario 2 - 3d world country, diver of vacation, does not have a buddy, faulty regulator. But damn it, I paid for this here vacation. So the kind captain on de boat bangs my reg till it stops hissing on the surface. Surprise, regulator catastrophically freeflows at 20 meters on second dive, dumps air in 3 minutes, emergency ascent in strong current. 2 hour recovery by boat. But he did not want to miss the dive!

scenario 3 - diver dives in new waters without check dive for weighting, too much weight, drysuit squeeze, overinflation, pop to the surface, chamber trip.

This is all real life... What is better for a rescue diver, to discuss such errors and perhaps train to have the courage to speak to divers that are showing lack of diving experience, or to think that as a rescue diver your primary job is to search for missing divers on the bottom, with the aquaman soundtrack playing in the background...
 
The rescue classes that we used to run both in Sonoma County and in Rhode Island generally involved 20 to 50 divers, local PSD types, the USCG (and often a helicopter). I believe the Catalina Chamber program is similar. It is no small undertaking, this programs are typically a year in the planning and involve a staff of a dozen or more instructors.


I attended the two day rescue workshop in 1990 at Doran beach in Sonoma County. Sonoma Co Sheriff has it's own helo Henry 1 and makes long-line rescues over the Sonoma coast, which was there giving demos of it's work. It was quite a large operation and ran smothly, from my perspective. I haven't heard of one happening in a long long time.
Diver Rescue Workshop DBF.jpg
Names have been changed to protect the innocent.


Bob
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A man's got to know his limitations.
Harry Callahan
 
Bob, do you remember when Dave Nagel was running the Sonoma County Program?
 
No, although I did met a lot of people then, I was on the participant end of the equation and managed to stay quite busy. Thought you might get a kick out of the pic.


Bob
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I may be old, but I’m not dead yet.
 
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