Jumping into a RB. Appreciate recommendations

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Have done a couple hundred dives and been a DM for quite a while now---handful of deep dives with Adv. Nitrox and Deco...but more of my dives now are above 130ft, at least for the next couple years.

Interested in jumping into rebreathers to both expand my knowledge, but also from my technical background working with space suits. Budget isn't a huge issue, but wondering if picking up a used Dolphin in good shape wouldn't be a bad idea to play on for the next year or two before I go CCR? That money I already have, and I feel a CCR right now might go underused for the next year or two.

Any other thoughts?! Thanks for your input!
 
I'd skip the Dolphin. I was really disappointed by the breathing characteristics... it really sucks actually.
IMHO, the Dolphin doesn't really give you the upsides of a CCR but most of the downsides.
Generally, I'd try more than one unit before buying.
 
I'd steer clear of a dolphin. Ask 10 people which rebreather and you'll get 11 different opinions. What's your budget? Where do you see your diving at in 3 years?
 
If you want SCR like the Dolphin, I would recommend the KISS GEM instead. Simple, inexpensive, easier to train and operate. If you want to go CCR, that's a whole different level of cost, complexity and risk.


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A lot of your decision can depend on location. See what instructors are local for which units. Parts availability isn't as big of an issue because of the Internet but it is nice to have a local dealer. Check out the used market. You can find a lot of good deals, but use caution and make sure the unit is up to snuff before diving.

I'm a big fan of the Hollis Explorer. Some may disagree but it's extremely easy to use, not that complicated and a great stepping stone. The Prism2 is also a great unit if you want to jump right to CCR.
 
I'm kind of in the same boat as the op. I'm eyeballing the kiss classic or orca though as a simple cost effective head on and flexible jump to mCCR.. we had a prism 2 diver last week on the charter and it was definitely put to good use at <130
 
Most people I've been around outgrow SCR and certainly outgrow MCCR. I'm certified on several rebreathers. If my 16 year old daughter asked me for one today, I'd buy her an Optima. It really is the easiest rebreather to dive out of the box that I've found.

An ADV which actually works
Cartridge Scrubber if you want idiot proof CO2 removal. Packable Scrubber if you want the cheapest dives.
Back mounted counterlungs or front mounted counterlungs depending on your desires.
Parts are cheap
Built in USA - I can literally drive to Dive Rite for a repair, but at almost 200 hours, have never needed to.
Best work of breathing I've encountered. And I've dove both the classic and the orca.

These are just the highlights that come to mind.
 
Why? There seem to be very few pre-owned mCCRs on the market. Isn't that because people are quite happy with them? In what way do people outgrow them?

I often see used mCCRs (rEvo and KISS) on the market. Just need to know where to look; I see a lot on CCRexplorers and RebreatherWorld or on Facebook. At least on the rEvo side, I see a lot of people selling their mCCRs to upgrade to a hCCR or a newer model but honestly I think it's usually a while before people "outgrow" them. You're WAY more likely to outgrow a SCR than a mCCR. I don't see the point in buying one; If you can afford an SCR then you can afford a mCCR.

In my opinion (arguably limited since I only just broke 100 hours on my unit), starting off with a mCCR is a good choice. You learn to fly the unit manually without a solenoid simply by the virtue of not having one to begin with :-) mCCRs are arguably simple, easy to repair and understand. In theory, learning on mCCR gives you discipline for when **** hits the fan and you are on a eCCR.

On a rEvo mCCR the "depth limit" is 80m / 260ft. If you're just starting on a rebreather you have a whole world to grow before you start doing 300ft dives on a unit.

An example of how you can "outgrow" a mCCR..
A traditional mCCR which uses constant mass flow (CMF) principal with a fixed orifice typically has a depth limitation based on the IP of the first stage on the Oxygen regulator. Basically, regulators on oxygen side of a mCCR are modified to be fixed so that they do not compensate or adjust IP as depth increases.

You can get by this "limitation" by plumbing offboard gas into your unit once your reach this stage in your rebreather diving. I suppose at this point is where a eCCR may make more sense since it does not have the a true depth limitation.

Here are a couple good articles by Paul Raymeakers (maker of rEvo) and Dr. Mel Clark (Popular rebreather instructor)
Copis Megalodon MCCR • ADVANCED DIVER MAGAZINE • by Mel Clark
Understanding Constant Mass Flow • ADVANCED DIVER MAGAZINE • By Paul Raymaekers

Mel Clark:
But by preventing the regulator from compensating as depth increases, the regulator will no longer allow oxygen flow — nor will the diver be able to manually add oxygen at the depth that is the same as the interstage pressure (IP)

Paul Raymeakers:
Now what does this mean when we dive a rebreather with an “absolute pressure regulator” (so that we can use an orifice that delivers us a constant mass flow of oxygen over a range of depths): It means that the maximum operation depth of the rebreather is limited to the depth, where the IP equals the pressure in the water. Because at that depth or deeper, no oxygen can be added to the system, as also the manual add valves (MAV) will not provide flow when activated.

In the normal rEvo setup, the IP is set at +/- 11 bars absolute (10 bars overpressure) and the flow at surface is +/- 0.8l/min. At a depth of 100m, the water pressure equals the IP, so the maximum recommended working depth of the rEvo in mCCR of hCCR mode is 80m.

I'd steer clear of a dolphin. Ask 10 people which rebreather and you'll get 11 different opinions. What's your budget? Where do you see your diving at in 3 years?

This is especially true. There are a bunch of fundamental questions you want to ask yourself before purchasing a unit. Most people are very partial to their own unit. In other words, anyone who spends a lot of money on a rebreather is going to try to justify their purchase :-)

There is no perfect rebreather and there never will be.

Just a few off top of my heads,
Back mounted or Front mounted Counter Lungs (things like work of breathing and flood tolerance come into play here)
BOV or no? (can be added later but do you want one stock?)
Axial or Radial Scrubber Design (Prepacked cartidriges or fill your own sorb)
mCCR / hCCR or true eCCR
Shearwater Electronics or something else?
 

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