Jelly fish stings

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riggedescape, thanks for the WD40 tip!! i'm in houston, the capital of fire ants possibly in the us anyway. and they give me fits if bitten. lots of redness, pain, itching, etc. and it takes forever to go away. so next time i'm gonna try that!!! good to know!!
 
I was out cleaning a pipe inlet for our seawater supply and it was covered in a host of reef like organisms. As we scraped it off, it mixed with the surrounding water and got inside my friend's loose fitting T shirt. I had a long sleeve, tight fitting one and had only a few irritating itches. We got home and basically rubbed his upper body down with white vinegar. It stopped about 90% of the itching. But I got a lot of little penetrations in my finger tips (through the gloves) that's making it a little painful to throw down Stevie Ray Vaughan licks (that's what I"m telling everyone)...but I'll survive.
 
According to DAN there are relatively new directions in this area. Urine, is not recommended for obvious reasons, meat tenderizer is no longer recommended as is vinegar is only recommended for Box Jellyfish found in Australia. It has been found according to DAN using vinegar will stop nematocysts from firing in this variety but increase it for others.

The recommended treatment is flush with salt or any water, then apply heat up to 120 degrees for 20-30 minutes at a time to help kill the pain. Interestingly I've found on night dives where little ones are all over the surface as I'm trying to exit on to a dive boat, I take out my reg, purge it and create a nice big area for my exit and I haven't ever been stung on the face since using this method. J.C. Hazardous Marine Life Injury Instructor DAN Marine Life Injury Instructor PADI Source, most recent DAN Instructor materials, PADI uses same materials.
I have used urine (my own) to deal with a rather nasty sea wasp sting that left a scar on my back for years, urine does work. How do they suggest applying the heat? Hot sea water I assume would be best since hot fresh water would set them off. Radiant heat is not often available on a boat or a beach unless you have a fire going.

I'm singularly concerned with the suggestions to not use meat tenderizer or vinegar or to flush with FRESH water, something that has always been, to the best of my knowledge, contraindicated. The DAN website warns against the use of alcohol, but not vinegar.

I'd be indebted for quotes from the actual references, the two sections below are from the DAN website and are not in concordance with what you are saying DAN recommends.

DAN Recomendation One:
Jellyfish describes an enormous number of marine animals capable of inflicting a painful, and occasionally life-threatening, sting. These include fire coral, hydroids, jellyfishes (including "sea wasps") and anemones. The stings occur when the victim comes into contact with the creature's tentacles or other appendages, which may carry millions of small stinging cells, each equipped with venom and a microscopic stinger.

Depending on the species, size, geographic location, time of year and other natural factors, stings can range in severity from mild burning and skin redness to excruciating pain and severe blistering with generalized illness (nausea, vomiting, shortness of breath, muscle spasm and low blood pressure). Broken-off tentacles that are fragmented in the surf or washed up on the beach can retain their toxicity for months and should not be handled, even if they appear to be dried out and withered.

The dreaded box jellyfish (Chironex fleckeri) of northern Australia contains one of the most potent animal venoms known to man. A sting from one of these creatures can induce death in minutes from cessation of breathing, abnormal heart rhythms and profound low blood pressure (shock).

The Treatment

BE PREPARED TO TREAT AN ALLERGIC REACTION FOLLOWING A JELLYFISH STING. If possible, carry an allergy kit, including injectable epinephrine (adrenaline) and an oral antihistamine.

The following therapy is recommended for all unidentified jellyfish and other creatures with stinging cells:
  1. If the sting is believed to be from the box jellyfish (Chironex fleckeri), immediately flood the wound with vinegar (5 percent acetic acid). Keep the victim as still as possible. Continuously apply the vinegar until the victim can be brought to medical attention. If you are out at sea or on an isolated beach, allow the vinegar to soak the tentacles or stung skin for 10 minutes before attempting to remove adherent tentacles or to further treat the wound. In Australia, surf lifesavers (lifeguards) may carry antivenin, which is given as an intramuscular injection a first aid measure.
  2. For all other stings flush the area with large amounts of sea water to remove any remaining tentacles.
  3. Immerse the affected area in hot water for 30 to 90 minutes to neutralize any undischarged nematocysts.
  4. Remove any remaining tentacle pieces with forceps/tweezers.
  5. Shave the area using shaving cream and a safety razor.
  6. Apply hydrocortisone cream or lotion.
  7. Monitor for allergic reaction or infection.
  8. Apply warm(113F/45 degrees C max) packs to control the pain. This may be repeated as necessary.
  9. If the victim has a large area involved (entire arm or leg, face, or genitals), is very young or very old, or shows signs of generalized illness (nausea, vomiting, weakness, shortness of breath or chest pain), seek help from a doctor. If a person has placed tentacle fragments in his mouth, have him swish and spit whatever potable liquid is available. If there is already swelling in the mouth (muffled voice, difficulty swallowing, enlarged tongue and lips), do not give anything by mouth, protect the airway and rapidly transport the victim to a hospital.
DAN Recomendation Two:
Jellyfish Stings

"Jellyfish" is the term commonly used to describe an enormous number of marine animals that are capable of inflicting a painful, and occasionally life-threatening, sting. These include fire coral, hydroids, jellyfishes (including "sea wasps") and anemones. The stings occur when the victim comes into contact with the creature's tentacles or other appendages, which may carry millions of small stinging cells, each equipped with venom and a microscopic stinger.

Depending on the species, size, geographic location, time of year and other natural factors, stings can range in severity from mild burning and skin redness to excruciating pain and severe blistering with generalized illness (nausea, vomiting, shortness of breath, muscle spasm and low blood pressure). Broken-off tentacles that are fragmented in the surf or washed up on the beach can retain their toxicity for months and should not be handled, even if they appear to be dried out and withered.

The dreaded box jellyfish (Chironex fleckeri) of northern Australia contains one of the most potent animal venoms known to man. A sting from one of these creatures can induce death in minutes from cessation of breathing, abnormal heart rhythms and profound low blood pressure (shock).

The Treatment

BE PREPARED TO TREAT AN ALLERGIC REACTION FOLLOWING A JELLYFISH STING. If possible, carry an allergy kit, including injectable epinephrine (adrenaline) and an oral antihistamine.

The following therapy is recommended for all unidentified jellyfish and other creatures with stinging cells:
  1. If the sting is believed to be from the box jellyfish (Chironex fleckeri) , immediately flood the wound with vinegar (5 percent acetic acid). Keep the injured person as still as possible. Continuously apply the vinegar until the individual can be brought to medical attention. If you are out at sea or on an isolated beach, allow the vinegar to soak the tentacles or stung skin for 10 minutes before attempting to remove adherent tentacles or to further treat the wound. In Australia, surf lifesavers (lifeguards) may carry antivenin, which is given as an intramuscular injection a first aid measure.
  2. For all other stings, if a topical decontaminant (e.g., vinegar, isopropyl [rubbing] alcohol, one-quarter-strength household ammonia, or baking soda) is available, apply it liberally onto the skin. If it is a liquid, continuously soak a compress. (Be advised that some authorities advise against the use of alcohol because of scientific evaluations that have revealed that some nematocysts discharge because of this chemical's application.) Since not all jellyfish are identical, it is extremely helpful to know ahead of time what works for the stingers in your specific geographic location. Apply the decontaminant for 30 minutes or until pain is relieved. A paste made from unseasoned meat tenderizer (do not exceed 15 minutes' application time, particularly upon the sensitive skin of small children) or papaya fruit may be helpful. Concentrated citrus (e.g., lime) juice may be helpful. Do not apply any organic solvent, such as kerosene, turpentine or gasoline. Until the decontaminant is available, you may rinse the skin with sea water. Do not simply rinse the skin gently with fresh water or apply ice directly to the skin. A brisk freshwater stream (forceful shower) may have sufficient force to physically remove the microscopic stinging cells, but non-forceful application is more likely to cause the cells to fire, increasing the envenomation. A non-moist ice or cold pack may be useful to diminish pain, but take care to wipe away any surface moisture (condensation) prior to the application.
  3. After decontamination, apply a lather of shaving cream or soap and shave the affected area with a razor. In a pinch, you can use a paste of sand or mud in sea water and a clamshell.
  4. Reapply the primary decontaminant for 15 minutes.
  5. Apply a thin coating of hydrocortisone lotion (0.5 to 1 percent) twice a day. Anesthetic ointment (such as lidocaine hydrochloride 2.5 percent or a benzocaine-containing spray) may provide short-term pain relief.
  6. If the victim has a large area involved (entire arm or leg, face, or genitals), is very young or very old, or shows signs of generalized illness (nausea, vomiting, weakness, shortness of breath or chest pain), seek help from a doctor. If a person has placed tentacle fragments in his mouth, have him swish and spit whatever potable liquid is available. If there is already swelling in the mouth (muffled voice, difficulty swallowing, enlarged tongue and lips), do not give anything by mouth, protect the airway and rapidly transport the victim to a hospital.
For prevention of jellyfish sting or sea bather's eruption, all divers and ocean bathers are advised to apply Safe Sea jellyfish and sea lice safe sun block. This sunscreen product has been tested clinically and has been shown to help protect against the stings of most jellyfish and related creatures.
 
Urine, is not recommended for obvious reasons...
I'm not sure the reasons are all that obvious. Most people assume that urine is unclean. However, urine from a normal adult is completely sterile.

I think the only think obvious about urine is that you'd never live it down, that you let one of your friends pee on you.
 
It can depend on the jellyfish. Vinegar (acid) works on a lot. Urine works just as well.

However for *SOME* stings this can make it worse. I seem to recall studies done with meat tenderiser actually found it made no real difference.

The one thing to remember is never ever use fresh water.
 
I have used urine (my own) to deal with a rather nasty sea wasp sting that left a scar on my back for years

OK, got to ask this - how exactly did you manage to pee on your own back ?!
 
Well it's a long story. No, actually ... I peed in a bottle and poured it on my back.
 
Well it's a long story. No, actually ... I peed in a bottle and poured it on my back.

Sadly that is nowhere near as interesting as i'd hoped the story would be :)
 
I've also used urine in the past when I used to wear a shorty. Worked well.
 
Sometime I'll write the whole thing up. It does involve a night dive, the R/V Undersea Hunter, a hammerhead shark, the Deep Rover submersible, the BBC, National Geographic, Sylvia Earle, Phil Nuytten, Lavett Smith and Graham Hawkes.
 

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