Isolation Manifold Question

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The valve only stops flow to that first stage. It does not stop the flow into the crossbar. If you think of the crossbar as always pressurized, it will help understand it. Otherwise there would be no way to get all of your gas from either regulator.
 
Got it Mania et al, and thanks much!

I now am much more in awe of the technology in those post valves. There must be only one way for gas to enter--through the regulator/1st stage, and this channel can be shut down by closing the valve. But there must be two ways for gas to exit--through the regulator/1st stage and also some other channel that feeds the center crossbar and that is always open. The only way to stop this flow is the close the isolation valve.

There are three valves, each with a separate and independent function. If we keep the isolator valve closed, then each "tank" valve (or "regulator" valve, or "post" if you will) controls just the flow to the regulator that is mounted on that valve (post). If you shut a post, gas stops flowing to that regulator. The isolator valve just interconnects the two cylinder. If the isolator valve is open you have one big gas supply, that can be accessed by either regulator assuming that the regulator's post is open. If it is closed you have two separate gas supplies, each only accessible by one or the other regulator, again, assuming that the regulator's post is open.
 
I think the best way to think about it is diving separates with a way to cheat and connect them (or unconnect them) on command.
 
this also means that if there is a failure anywhere in the cross bar, all gas will be lost??!!! all of sudden, it doesn't seem to be so secured. A single failure point to lose all gas.
 
No, worst possible case is losing half.
 
Got it Mania et al, and thanks much!

I now am much more in awe of the technology in those post valves. There must be only one way for gas to enter--through the regulator/1st stage, and this channel can be shut down by closing the valve. But there must be two ways for gas to exit--through the regulator/1st stage and also some other channel that feeds the center crossbar and that is always open. The only way to stop this flow is the close the isolation valve.

I'm not sure you are quite getting it. The isolator manifold is "upstream" of the post valves. Gas flows through it in either direction regardless of the post valves being open or shut. There's no "one-way" or check valves; the only thing that would prevent gas from flowing into a tank from the crossbar, if the isolator valve is open, is pressure. For example, if you close the isolator, then breathe off of one tank for a while, then open the isolator, gas will flow into that tank. It doesn't matter if the post valves are open or shut for this to happen. The post valves are just regular tank valves. It's just that the junction to the crossbar is before the post valve in terms of air flowing from the tank. And you're right, that channel is always open; that's why you have the isolator valve; to shut down air moving from tank to tank in the event of an emergency leak that involves one tank itself, not the regulator.

You might think of it this way: pretend you have two tanks, each with a valve just like normal. Now pretend you could drill a hole in the side of each tank and attach them with a piece of pipe. That's basically what you have with an isolation manifold, except in the pipe there is a valve so if air were leaking out of one tank, not through the valve but the tank itself, you could stop the flow from the other tank.
 
Got it Mania et al, and thanks much!

I now am much more in awe of the technology in those post valves. There must be only one way for gas to enter--through the regulator/1st stage, and this channel can be shut down by closing the valve. But there must be two ways for gas to exit--through the regulator/1st stage and also some other channel that feeds the center crossbar and that is always open. The only way to stop this flow is the close the isolation valve.

Looking at your profile I have come to one of two conclusions and I'm not sure at this point which one it is: Either 1) You're bored and want to see how many of us you can trick into over explaining such a simple thing or 2) you really have no business owning and diving doubles (which you perport to own in your profile). If it's option number 1, good for you you occupied our minds and hopefully made some folks think about something that many of us take for granted. If it's option number 2 I hope two things for you first that at some point someone actually communicated with you on a level that you understand and second you seek and obtain the training you need to effectively manage your life support system in an emergency. Good Luck
 
I appreciate your point. In a private doubles training class, I have learned "when X happens, close the post valve," etc. Recently, in a conversation at a dive site, someone suggested something counter to what I learned, namely "when X happens, close the isolator valve." At that point, I found myself falling short on an understanding, not of the rule I learned, but of the mechanical underpinnings of the rule--ie, the precise mechanical/internal functioning of the post valve that 'effects' the "how" and "why" of the rule.

I would say that, after reading all these replies, most people understand the rules. However, it strikes me that most people understand them more in an intuitive sense, rather than a mechanically rigorous one, and this is fine. Some people understand them in terms of analogies--"think of it this way...." At least one of the diagrams offered was pretty but entirely impertinent. Suffice it to say that not everyone seems to understand thoroughly the mechanical properties of the post valve that explain the how and why--or at least most people haven't offered such an explanation (I'd have to go back and review, but Halocline's hit me as most helpful in this mechanical regard). This is what I was looking for. Maybe I played the devil's advocate a little bit in the hope that someone might hit the nail on the head, at least for me. And maybe in doing so this made me seem more ignorant than at least I hope I am. In any case, your point is still well taken. That said, I'm still dying to ask my technician to explain to me the mechanics of the post valve. Does this mean I should shelf my doubles rig?

And just for the profile, since there you went a looking, I am not a tech/cave/wreck diver. I dive short doubles because they give me more air in a manner that trims out for me better than almost any single tank (I am short), keeping in mind as well that I am partial to LP or, at most, MP tanks. I dive old SP regs and prefer not to hit them with 3500+ psi.

Looking at your profile I have come to one of two conclusions and I'm not sure at this point which one it is: Either 1) You're bored and want to see how many of us you can trick into over explaining such a simple thing or 2) you really have no business owning and diving doubles (which you perport to own in your profile). If it's option number 1, good for you you occupied our minds and hopefully made some folks think about something that many of us take for granted. If it's option number 2 I hope two things for you first that at some point someone actually communicated with you on a level that you understand and second you seek and obtain the training you need to effectively manage your life support system in an emergency. Good Luck
 
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