Is there a safe dive for children?

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Jarrett

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I have a 10 year old daughter that is a PADI Junior Open Water certified diver who now loves to dive (at least in clear water). We had a great time in Cozumel and diving in various pools. All was good. Then I come here and start reading all the "anti children diving" theories. AGE this and damaged growth plates that. Holes in her heart that some how leak? I am now concerned if I should have her in the water at all.

After reading thread after thread and article after article on here about how diving is bad for my daughter, I started wondering if there was any dive that is recommended for children? I mean is diving in a 10 foot pool safe for kids? Or are there potenial problems with that as well? Wondering if I need to put her gear up for sale at this point. Any thoughts/recommendations?
 
Jarrett:
I have a 10 year old daughter that is a PADI Junior Open Water certified diver who now loves to dive (at least in clear water). We had a great time in Cozumel and diving in various pools. All was good. Then I come here and start reading all the "anti children diving" theories. AGE this and damaged growth plates that. Holes in her heart that some how leak? I am now concerned if I should have her in the water at all.

After reading thread after thread and article after article on here about how diving is bad for my daughter, I started wondering if there was any dive that is recommended for children? I mean is diving in a 10 foot pool safe for kids? Or are there potenial problems with that as well? Wondering if I need to put her gear up for sale at this point. Any thoughts/recommendations?

If she has allready dived without problems it's possible to continue. Making things sure You can take medical examination wheather she has the PFO or not and take the dives no deeper than 30' with bottom time max 30min to be on the safe side.

Just my opinion what I could do with my children...
 
I'm new to the board so have not come across these threads but will now be searching and reading. My daughter is also ten and just got her PADI Jr. OW Cert. This is the 1st I am hearing about any problems (like you mentioned) with children diving. I would think the guidelines set for her cert are there to avoid any major problems but now you have me worried. I think i'll contact DAN about it and see if they have any info on the subject.

J
 
IF you do allow her to dive....be her buddy. That means the dive is nothing for you....you are there to CONSTANTLY watchover her. She does not have the maturity and experience to deal with an emergency situation.

Personally, my daughter is almost 30 now but I would have not allowed her to start diving that early. To me it is just the industry trying to "breed their own" and at someones elses personal risk. I find it appalling. But others feel different and neither will know the results until it is too late. Yep, I am pretty negative about children diving. To me, its like drinking...there ought to be a law. Just my personal opinion....you dont have to agree.
 
Diving is all theory when it comes to what it does to the body. Several factors always come into play, depth and nitrogen.

Stay shallow and dive EANx would help.
 
This is an interesting subject, and one I will watch. I have certified one 10 year old, and when I did, the stipulation I put out for his Dad was that Dad attended class with him. Partly for me to feel comfortable that Dad knew what he was doing, and partly for Dad to have a knowlege of what the boy had been taught. His dad readily agreed, and attended every classroom, pool, and open water session.
Truth be told, the boy picked up most of the skills just as quickly, and in some cases more quickly than anyone else in the class, and when I certified him, I was comfortable that he was and would be a good diver.
With that said, I am not a doctor, and am not qualified to make determinations on what potential physiological effects there could be, though from what I have read, I can't find where any studies etc. have been done, so we should consider the information as speculative. We do know that some of the concerns cited are fact, such as the "hole in the heart" (i.e. connected ventricles that heal slower in some children), and the differences in eustacian tubes. For these reasons, IMHO a child should have a thorough physical prior to diving, with emphasis in areas like these. One point to ponder: I havent been able to find any reports of diving accidents with kids, so that suggests to me that people are tending to use the caution that is needed when kids are involved.
The next thing that I would consider is that Children ARE Children, and due caution should be exercised. You wouldn't let your child ride their bike in traffic, and you would be very cautious and provide vigilant supervision with them riding NEXT to traffic, so diving should inspire the same vigilance. Keep to the depth limits. There are plenty of good dives in shallow water, so find them when you dive with kids, and don't just dive with them, SUPERVISE them. Be honest with yourself when it comes to your skills. If you aren't 110% confident that you can handle any situation that might arise, get yourself that way. Take a rescue class, whatever it takes.
First and foremost, you have to be a responsible parent, and decide whether they are mature enough to handle what they are doing. Diving isn't for every adult either, but adults can decide that for themselves. As parents, sometimes we have to say no, even when we don't want to, especially where a child's safety is involved.
With all of that said, I have an 8 year old daughter that wants to become certified. When she turns 10, I will consider it, and if I feel that she is mature enough, I will grant her request and I will most definitely "practice what I preach"
 
I've got a three year old at home. She's fascinated by Daddy's scuba trailer and equipment. When she's older, I'm hoping that she'll want to learn to dive.

I've worked several classes as an AI in which there were students as young as 12 (my LDS won't certify 10 year olds, regardless of what PADI says). They learn the skills, and have good retention; however, I've got concerns that, while they have an intellectual understanding of the rules, they may choose to push them.

Medical issues aside (I'm not an M.D), IMHO, in order for a child to dive safely, s/he must be under constant supervision by a competant adult diver. By competant, I mean a diver who is trained and experienced in planning dives and supervising divers. The supervisor should have pediatric first aid training. The diver should be completely comfortable in the water, and should be able to maintain control over their own dive without having to pay too much attention to it. Buddy skills and situational awareness are also key.

These are not skills taught in a basic OW course. I'd hope to see at least Rescue, and possibly a DM cert., before a parent took their child diving. Unrealistic, perhaps, but that's still what I'd like to see and what I'd expect from someone supervising my own daughter.
 
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Medical issues aside (I'm not an M.D), IMHO, in order for a child to dive safely, s/he must be under constant supervision by a competant adult diver. By competant, I mean a diver who is trained and experienced in planning dives and supervising divers. The supervisor should have pediatric first aid training. The diver should be completely comfortable in the water, and should be able to maintain control over their own dive without having to pay too much attention to it. Buddy skills and situational awareness are also key.

These are not skills taught in a basic OW course. I'd hope to see at least Rescue, and possibly a DM cert., before a parent took their child diving. Unrealistic, perhaps, but that's still what I'd like to see.

This is my concern with certifying young children. Under 12, standards require them to dive with a pro or a parent. In theory anyway, I know what qualifies the pro to supervise but how many of the parents are novice divers themselves? I personally witnessed a situation where Jr was left to fend for himself while dad "tried" to help mom with a problem she was having (nothing wrong really she just decided to FREAK!). Dad and mom needed supervision. Personally I wouldn't have certified them and I sure wouldn't put my signiture anyplace that led them to believe they had any business supervising any one else in the water.

Most kids pick up the physical skills really easy and often have an easier time than adults who have often spent too many years creating a permenant depression in the couch but there's more to it.

I don't know that it's any more dangerous than a thousand other things that kids do but I don't have to be part of it.
 
We have an 11 year old boy. His mother & I are certified for Adult, Child & Infant First Aid Responders & are Rescue Divers, O2 admin, etc. I still have concerns (Not even factoring in the possible medical issues) about any childs ability to deal with an emergency situation at depth. I think there should be a 2atm limit for any child (Regardless of maturity level) under 16. Make it a recreational limit for kids :-)

This is just my opinion - I could be wrong / Dennis Miller
 

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