Is selling Life Support Equipment on the Net Ethical ?

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tpabchbum:
Also, bring in a reg bought off the internet for us to put together, $150 bucks, buy a reg from us, FREE CHECKUPS B/C SERVICE.

I have the feeling you are exaggerating, but if this is actual shop policy it's the most direct and blatant display of angry customer punishment that I have ever seen. That's absolutely preposterous and downright predatory. There is no better way to alienate and drive away your customer than to retaliate against them.

No wonder the LDS is going the way of the dinosaur.. I'm sure yours is down there in line for closing sooner rather than later, yeilding to places that will offer volume, choice, and fair prices as well as treat the customer with enough respect not to attack them.
 
tpabchbum:
Bring in a reg with a problem and we will ask you why you didn't take to the place where you bought it, most people will say they bought it from a dive shop where they used to live, so we ask the name of the shop and check the website of the manufacturer to see if they are a dealer, WE ARE NOT STUPID. If there is not dealer by that name in that town, we hand it back to them and ask them how they like the internet now and maybe they should send it back to have the problem fixed. This only works b/c most of the shops in our area do the same, the ones that don't bring us the regs when they screw them up.

The second time I went into an LDS in my area (Dolphin Scuba Center), I was carrying my Proton Ice I bought on the internet. I was renting a computer (didn't have a console yet) and needed it attached to the first stage. Dolphin isn't a Mares dealer. The girl working there seemed to like my reg and exclaimed over the small size of the second stage. She knew I got it off the internet, but gave me no "support your local price gouging" speeches. I told her at that point that I was doing a lot of research on BCs, both in LDS's and on the internet. She took me on a LENGTHY tour of what they had in stock and filled my arms with catalogs comparing various features. She told me what she, as a technical diver, preferred in her setup, paying attention to features that would suit what I was looking for rather than what rang up the highest on the register.

Now, she could have easily blown me off as someone using her time to research and buy off the internet. Had she treated me, regarding the regulator, as you have described, I never would have set foot back in that shop again. Instead, that has become my regular dive shop, on many things they have good deals, and so when it was time to lay down well over 500 dollars on a BC, largely due to her advice, my independent research, and the actions of others in Dolphin, I bought their Dive Rite Transpac II for a very reasonable price and am thrilled with it. Jim and I have also signed aboard their Channel Islands lobster trip near Halloween, retail for two of us: 990 dollars. We've also bought various accessories there, but I also continue to buy things on the internet, and at Sports Chalet (where we've also gotten excellent service). Depends on the item and its availability and price.

If that dive shop had followed your "business model", they would have lost a potential long term customer and would have lost approximately 1700 dollars over the course of a month to internet sales. We refer people to this shop now, giving them more business. We'll probably end up buying from them again. They will also advise me AGAINST buying one of their products if they don't think it will fit my diving profile, even if it means making a quick 20-30 bucks. When my retractor wasn't doing the job, instead of trying to sell me a "bigger better" retractor for 30 bucks, I was sold a bolt snap, which is working WONDERFULLY.

So hopefully, your shop's approach to 'service' (ie, bullying the customer into only buying from you and running out people doing legitimate research) goes the way of the dinosaur.

As for this whole compressor issue, buying an individual compressor may be financially unfeasible for almost anyone; however, groups of divers (let's say... in dive clubs?) would likely have no problem. Furthermore, those shops offering quality customer service don't seem to be reporting a lot of problems competing with the internet.

(By the way, one of the LDS's attached my internet-bought second stage, first stage, and octopus for free. Said that it's best to have a pro do it, but since it's easy, I could conceivably do it myself. Wouldn't take the money I offered. Said "Oh please, it took five seconds.")

BTW, I'd also be interested in the name of your shop. When I dive in FL, I want to make sure I avoid buying anything there, getting air fills, and want to make sure that none of my friends might happen to stumble in.

Ishie
 
tpabchbum:
SO BE FOREWARNED, W/O YOUR LDSs, the diving industry won't last.

"Imminent Death of the Diving Industry Predicted, Film at Eleven!!!!"
 
Damn,

Think you guys scared him away...I REALLY wanted to visit tpabchbum's shop!

Bummer.
 
The 'Who's going to fill your tank once the LDS goes belly up' argument keeps coming back. Maybe it's different on your side of the Big Pond, but over here in the Netherlands most shops have a coin operated filling point on the outside of the building. And I know of at least one dive site within a 20 minutes drive where the caretaker of the adjacent camping site (who doesn't run an LDS, doesn't even dive or know anything about it) had one of these installed, just to attract visitors.

It seems to me air isn't an issue. Actual service (assembling regs, fitting a suit, rentals, gear maintenance) is, and I don't mind paying my LDS by the hour for it. Rather that than having to pay a hefty markup on a purchase and hope that the service will eventually materialise.

Art
 
I HOPE the troll reincarnates and continues to come back. I have learned sooooo much from it. And the amazing thing is that I had thought trolls feet were MUCH too large to fit into their mouths!!!! This one can fit BOTH.....it's incredible!
 
ArthurGerla:
The 'Who's going to fill your tank once the LDS goes belly up' argument keeps coming back. Maybe it's different on your side of the Big Pond, but over here in the Netherlands most shops have a coin operated filling point on the outside of the building. And I know of at least one dive site within a 20 minutes drive where the caretaker of the adjacent camping site (who doesn't run an LDS, doesn't even dive or know anything about it) had one of these installed, just to attract visitors.

It seems to me air isn't an issue. Actual service (assembling regs, fitting a suit, rentals, gear maintenance) is, and I don't mind paying my LDS by the hour for it. Rather that than having to pay a hefty markup on a purchase and hope that the service will eventually materialise.

Art
Coin Op gas in the States? I don't think ever. First our citizens would have to come to an understanding with a concept which has almost gasped its last after decades of dying, responsibility for our own actions.
We've decided that our government, the courts, and insurance should protect us from such things, making our own choices and taking actions without myriad permissions, so we can't be responsible for anything we do.
It's coroborated often in courts that things we do are indeed someone elses fault. So, we won't have access to such things, until we can figure out whose fault the consequences are. Or maybe they're already figured out and the insurance companies won't let it happen, or we'll figure it out in the courts, or...
Cheaper to drop a couple thousand bucks and put a compressor in your locked garage; but if someone should break into your garage, steal some air, then kill themselves by actually using it with or without certification, 'attractive nuisance' or some other method of avoiding responsibility will probably make the compressor owner at fault for their actions.

Tom
 

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