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There is no education on the kind of ideas that Bob has in his essay in the recreational diving program with PADI, not even up through instructor. It's not that you didn't learn what you were taught; it's that the material is not in the classes. So it is also generally not covered during briefings.

Dive planning isn't really taught very well, in general, in the typical OW class (at least around here). The new diver comes away with the idea to plan his dive and dive his plan, but with only a pretty fuzzy idea, if any, of what the components of a dive plan ARE. I actually started a thread about this a while back.

I would guess that all of us have done dives in areas or under conditions with which we weren't familiar, and have been dependent upon someone else for some of the information or advice we needed to do the dives optimally. I know, for example, that my recent trip to Florida involved doing hot drops, where we sucked all the air out of our wings before jumping in the water. I paid careful attention to the dive briefings and prepared as I was told. But I also had enough experience to know what questions to ask, and how to compare the answers to my own equipment and skills, to decide the parameters of the dive, and whether I was happy with them from a safety standpoint. No matter who is diving with you, you should always ask yourself the question: Do I know enough about this dive to assess its suitability for my level of experience and skills? If you don't know the answer, your more experienced buddy or instructor should be able to help you figure out the information you need and how to evaluate it.
 
I was with a buddy with similar (in-)experience. The two of us were accompanied by the DM/ instructor at all times, ascending with us and staying with us until we were back on the boat. There was a seperate DM leading the whole group of five, which included another pair of more experienced divers. On one or two of the dives we split into two groups of three (me, buddy, DM/ instructor together) so that we could follow slightly different plans (the inexperienced group staying shallower, etc.).



Um, I thought the dive briefings were fairly thorough (but, again, that could just be my lack of experience and knowledge). Aside from briefings given to everyone on the boat, the DM/ instructor gave additional briefings to me covering depth and other considerations for the dives that I might not have encountered before. So, there was an attempt to supply me with additional knowledge, I do feel as though I learned some things, but it's quite possible (or probable) that it was insufficient. I certainly wouldn't have felt qualified to do any of those dives with only a buddy of a similar experience or to have planned them on my own.

Sounds like you were as safe as you would be on a deep dive with AOW class to me. I wouldn't worry about it.
 
Good.
All of this is beyond me. You had far too many students in one class. They obviously were improperly trained if they had all those problems. Inflator/ deflator use is not tricky and should be mastered before signing off on OW, to begin with.

Thanks, I thought I would let others comment on the obvious deficiencies of that scenario. My fundamental problem is how it is possible to have buoyancy under control at 18 meters and then suddenly be incapable of doing the same at 23 meters?

I've checked through my PADI OW and AOW course work again and I'm fairly certain it doesn't go into much detail at all on gas management. It includes a few general statements about planning to have a reserve of air on returning to the surface (without saying much about HOW exactly one goes about doing that); observations about depth, temperature, other environmental factors and exertion playing a role in air consumption; and, the most detailed, a short section with tables explaining how to calculate an estimate of air consumption at a particular depth.

Yep, it took me quite a while to work out that the one uses 20% more gas at 23 meters as opposed to 18 meters. In mitigation, you are not trying to calculate the amount of gas required to exit a cave, perform a deco stop or complete a task at depth. If you watch your pressure gauge all you are trying to do is have enough gas to swim 3 minutes to the safety stop and spend 3 minutes there, and exit with some reserve (50 bar). The worst case scenario is a surface swim back to the boat/entry point. New divers use more gas than experienced divers, so a 30 minute dive at 18 meters becomes a 24 minute dive at 23 meters. My contention is it is not that different from an 18 meter dive, in terms of gas management and buoyancy. Use more gas at depth, buoyancy easier to stabilise at depth. If you google gas management, you get several good articles including Bob's.

I was with a buddy with similar (in-)experience. The two of us were accompanied by the DM/ instructor at all times, ascending with us and staying with us until we were back on the boat. There was a seperate DM leading the whole group of five, which included another pair of more experienced divers. On one or two of the dives we split into two groups of three (me, buddy, DM/ instructor together) so that we could follow slightly different plans (the inexperienced group staying shallower, etc.).

Sounds like you had a topflight operation working for you!! Name them so they get some free advertising!! Very professional approach. Under those circumstances in good viz. warm water, there was absolutely nothing irresponsible in what you or the DM/Instructor did. There is absolutely no need to overcomplicate/overanalyse this scenario. Good thing is it made me revise gas calculations, and do some mental arithmetic, not that I need to use it in the tame, recreational stuff I do, but it's a fun exercise all the same.
 
Congratulate yourself on shortening your learning curve. And that you didn't get arrested by the scuba police.

You will find that not everything will be black and white in scuba. Enjoy.
 

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