Integrated octo/inflaters

[ws-6]

ok, my searching the board is turning up nothing really. either argue why they suck or don't or post links to previous posts about them. ss1, air2, duo, etc.

 

[NAM001]

First its the cost of the thing. next it is a backup for when your primary goes bad. you cant breath on it and use it to inflate or vent the bcd at the same time. Things don't vent when the vent hole is below the air being vented. the standard is a primary and secondary hose. Yes the standard is what is being argued. The secondary is tied around the neck so that when you need it,,,,,,,, it is there and not just floating around somewhere. so to have it as your backup and always ready to use you do not have the ability to raise the hose above the head to control the venting of the bladder, It was made to be a combo reg / inflator. cost saver. it really is not any cheaper than a secondary tied off. The argument can be made that if you are in trim you should be using the butt vent on your ascent. The other argument will be.... look beyond the all is well ascent and vision using it when you have an ooa. if you go up vertical in the water then your hose is above the bladder and all should be ok. Jumping the fence again the argument will be you should go up horizontal for a number of reasons. Over the fence again. those reasons are not in play normally in rec diving.. HIgh lob to the far court.... Why should you dive differently on different dives? Good questrion

 

[jbomb001]

I don't even understand the question ... do u want recommendations ? Or pros and cons? Or are u just trying to get others to argue ? Personally I have an ss1 I like it I have an extra vent in my bc on upper right shoulder so using it as a reg I don't use it to vent. I also dive a pony so I generally practice using that over the ss1.
I do not practice air share at all as in my experience if someone is truly ooa. They will not signal you they will just grab the reg with bubbles coming from it."the one in your mouth" this is why I have a pony so I have a full redundant system.

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[buddhasummer]

ok, my searching the board is turning up nothing really. either argue why they suck or don't or post links to previous posts about them. ss1, air2, duo, etc.

As another poster posted, do you have a question?

 

[diversteve]

did you search here? http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/regulators/

the forum software search doesn't work on 3 letters so gogle it - examples:

SS1 site:scubaboard.com
octo inflator site:scubaboard.com

Any other brand named inflator should show up on a google search also - all the public forums are indexed there.

 

[ws-6]

As another poster posted, do you have a question?

sorry, kinda annoyed and then interrupted when i started to post that: trying to find out why ppl there are either pro or against ss1, air2, duo, etc. i used the site search but came up with nothing really.



almost at the point of saying f'it and stop diving. i have 6 dives in my book right now. i have asked questions on 3 different boards now about stuff. 1 board i asked about regs. was told everything i was looking at (atomic z3, SP S600, tusa rs-812, etc) where all junk and i needed to get either 5 year old used regs or hogs because i can service them myself (where on a trip especially on a cruise am i going to have access to tools to do that or the parts). asked about computer (d6i, luna, Wisdom 3) and was told the only thing i needed was a sherwater and if i didn't get that then just use the charts. if i got anything else it was useless because blah blah blah. i can't find review of gear posted anywhere other than sites that sell said gear. from what i am getting from everyone you need to make your own gear, repair your gear, etc or it isn't good or worth buying. i can't find review of gear posted anywhere other than sites that sell said gear. now i get to call a guy about bp/w's tomorrow that i already was told that most people consider an axxhole. The main reason I am looking to get my own gear and travel with it is because of a bad time I had on my last dive a year ago in curacao (the only time I ideas the cruise ships dive company) /rant

---------- Post added September 2nd, 2015 at 12:29 AM ----------

did you search here? http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/regulators/ the forum software search doesn't work on 3 letters so gogle it - examples: SS1 site:scubaboard.com octo inflator site:scubaboard.com

thanks. the site search for some reason doesn't tell you that. i know some board software will search 3 letters and some won't. also i guess it won't search your archives.

 

[Dirty-Dog]

Here's a suggestion. Go diving. Rent gear. See what you like. People will basically tell you that their particular gear setup is the bestest ever.
I used an Air2 for my first couple hundred dives. My wife has a bit over 500 on hers. No problems. They work just fine. We've never HAD to use them, but we practice regularly, and have had no difficulty breathing off the Air2 while controlling buoyancy.
I personally hate jackets. I started with a back inflate. Now I use a BP/W.
Sue started with a back inflate and still uses it. Kim prefers a poodle jacket.
Kim's regs are Atomics. Sue uses ScubaPro. My singles regs are ScubaPro. My doubles and stage regs are HOG.
Kim uses an Oceanic computer. Sue dives an Aeris Manta with an Aeris XR console as backup. I use a DiveRite Nitek Q with a Manta as backup. I put it in gauge mode for deco dives.

Pretty much any name brand will do a good job for the average diver. Beyond that, it comes down to personal preferences, budget, and ego.


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[Centrals]

1. Equipment review is usually find in magazine. But the selection is very limited.
2. Servicing equipment eg Apeks require only one special tool(ie. hook spanner) the rest is readily available in any hardware stores.
3. As far as I am concern, any computer is good enough for recreational dive. I just bought a old model(US$170.00) to replace my 18yrs old(expired).
4. Is BP/W superior than jacket? Only if you believe so. Keep your eyes open on your next dive to see how many divers are in BP/W or back-inflated or jacket. And for that matter divers using integrated octo/inflater against conventional set up.
5. Equipment is just a tool and it won't make you a better diver if your mind set is wrong.

Good luck

 

[ws-6]

if you go up vertical in the water then your hose is above the bladder and all should be ok. Jumping the fence again the argument will be you should go up horizontal for a number of reasons. Over the fence again. those reasons are not in play normally in rec diving.. HIgh lob to the far court.... Why should you dive differently on different dives? Good questrion

question about bp/w's then. can you not pull the inflator hose to vent? do they not have top dump?

Here's a suggestion. Go diving. Rent gear. See what you like.

thanks. been trying to get out this summer but the every time my LDS has gone to a lake i have been out of town on biz. i am suppose to go to the pool to try some stuff next month with them though. i know the pool and OW are not the same but right now that i all i have available. i am going on another cruise in feb and was wanting to bring my own stuff for that.

 

[buddhasummer]

sorry, kinda annoyed and then interrupted when i started to post that: trying to find out why ppl there are either pro or against ss1, air2, duo, etc. i used the site search but came up with nothing really. almost at the point of saying f'it and stop diving. i have 6 dives in my book right now. i have asked questions on 3 different boards now about stuff. 1 board i asked about regs. was told everything i was looking at (atomic z3, SP S600, tusa rs-812, etc) where all junk and i needed to get either 5 year old used regs or hogs because i can service them myself (where on a trip especially on a cruise am i going to have access to tools to do that or the parts). asked about computer (d6i, luna, Wisdom 3) and was told the only thing i needed was a sherwater and if i didn't get that then just use the charts. if i got anything else it was useless because blah blah blah. i can't find review of gear posted anywhere other than sites that sell said gear. from what i am getting from everyone you need to make your own gear, repair your gear, etc or it isn't good or worth buying. i can't find review of gear posted anywhere other than sites that sell said gear. now i get to call a guy about bp/w's tomorrow that i already was told that most people consider an axxhole. The main reason I am looking to get my own gear and travel with it is because of a bad time I had on my last dive a year ago in curacao (the only time I ideas the cruise ships dive company) /rant---------- Post added September 2nd, 2015 at 12:29 AM ---------- thanks. the site search for some reason doesn't tell you that. i know some board software will search 3 letters and some won't. also i guess it won't search your archives.

I can understand your frustration, thank you for taking the time to reply. The reality is that all Scuba gear works and none of it is likely to kill you, user error aside. Shops will often try to sell you what they stock and often the most expensive as that's often where the biggest margins are. Finding a good honest LDS can be difficult but there are some out there. People often recommend what they use. Personal preference plays a big part.

The majority of people on this board are good people and very helpful. If you post specific questions or questions about specific gear you'll likely get some good responses. You don't need to be buying top of the line anything. All regs will work well enough in a recreational setting. Some people like alternate air some do not. It does at the end of the day work. I'm always a little skeptical of posts where people bag specific gear unless it's backed up by some facts or they themselves have tried it. User reviews are the best. I largely ignore publication reviews as often advertising revenue plays a part.

If you can post what type of diving you do or aspire to, what gear your interested in getting most here will do their very best to help. Due to location I buy most gear online I recommend, Cave Adventurers, Dive Gear Express, Scuba Toys and Dive Right In Scuba, all good honest people.

Hang in there regardless of all the BS diving is ultimately worth it. Feel free to PM me if you like and I'll do my best to give you none biased, as much as is possible, honest advice. Good luck.

Personally I use matching second stages. It makes servicing easier and air sharing easier for me. This is a polarizing topic. Both configurations work it's just a matter of which, in practice, you prefer.

---------- Post added September 2nd, 2015 at 01:08 AM ----------

question about bp/w's then. can you not pull the inflator hose to vent? do they not have top dump?



thanks. been trying to get out this summer but the every time my LDS has gone to a lake i have been out of town on biz. i am suppose to go to the pool to try some stuff next month with them though. i know the pool and OW are not the same but right now that i all i have available. i am going on another cruise in feb and was wanting to bring my own stuff for that.

You can fit a pull dump on a wing if you wish but I have found it unnecessary to do so. I almost exclusively use the lower pull dump.