Integrated 2nd vs. Octo....Any Input?

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Hello all,

I am new to diving, and I am looking to purchase a set of equipment, and I have heard good and bad things about having an integrated second vs. an octopus. Does anyone have any input on this?

Because what I buy depends on what I want to get "out" of diving, I want to do wreck dives, deep diving, as well as hunting/bug catching and just "regular" scuba.

Any input is greatly appreciated (and Im sorry if this is a repost, but I searched and didnt see anything...)

-Ryan
 
Does anyone have any input on this?

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Welcome to ScubaBoard, and congratulations on your choice of a first post! You'll find no shortage of polarized opinions on this matter!

:D

Allow me to be the first to share mine:

A combination inflator/octo is a lot like one of those tiny little donut spare tires: Designed for convenience, it seems like a great idea...right up until the point you actually need to use it for it's intended purpose.
 
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Welcome to ScubaBoard, and congratulations on your choice of a first post! You'll find no shortage of polarized opinions on this matter!

:D

Allow me to be the first to share mine:

A combination inflator/octo is a lot like one of those tiny little donut spare tires: Designed for convenience it seems like a great idea...right up until the point in time where you must use it for it's intended purpose.

:rofl3::rofl3::rofl3:
 

Those are really nice worms I wish I had those a week ago when I was digging the banks of Niagara river. All I was getting were skinny ones. Must have got into a worm training camp. I wish I could dig out that worm can :D
 
Integreated Octo Cons:

Added failure points
P.I.T.A. to maintain
Breathe poorly
Short hose restricts head movement when in use as a reg.
Difficult to control buoyancy in an emergency

Integrated Oct Pro's:

I got nuthin'

FWIW, I've owned both, you couldn't pay me to go back to the octo/inflator combo setup again.
 
When anybody asks me about this, I always suggest him to follow dir ideas. Because this philosophy has been created for long time and is proved. You needn't buy twin bottles, you can follow it also in case you use a single tank. Use a double valve, primary and secondary 1st stages and primary and secondary regs. Very easy and very functional system. When you increase your knowledges, you may only little modify your equipment.
 
People tend to get pretty polarized in these threads

Once you separate reality from dogma, there are places and times where they make sense. Integrated inflators/octos for example make sense in some rebreather configurations. I also used to use one on my pretty fish dive travel plate and wing as the need for only 3 hoses total allowed for extremely clean hose routing - but it also required a longer inflator hose than I prefer, so it was not perfect.

And I can say as a tech I frequently see octos that are non functional come in for annual service where the owner was not aware they were non functional. I have never seen that with an Air 2, so one "pro" is the Air 2 does not get ignored, get used and flushed on every dive and is quite frankly more likely to work for the average diver who regards gear maintenence as taking the reg off the tank and throwing it in the dive bag.

Further, as a tech, I can state with confidence that the "more failure points" issue is also not the case - you eliminate a hose, an inlet fitting and an inlet fitting o-ring with the combination of inflator and octo. In most, the inflators are balanced, simple and very well designed, while the second stage portion is very similar to a near bullet proof R290 style unbalanced dual adjustment downstream designs usually used for recreational octos. In a word, an Air 2 will be more relaible than a cheap octo and cheap inflator that together cost as much.

Now, I also agree with Tomikp that a long hose/bungee backup makes sense (although that configuration predates DIR by nearly two decades) and is the way to go for most divers, But his logic is flawed as an Air 2 user could also cite 35 years of use to prove it works as it, like the long hose primary reg, also came into use in the mid 1970's

Most importantly however, the OP pretty much outlines the reason why an Air 2 is not right for him:

"Because what I buy depends on what I want to get "out" of diving, I want to do wreck dives, deep diving, as well as hunting/bug catching and just "regular" scuba."

An integrated inflator/octo is not going to be well suited to technical diving, where a long hose and bungeed octo has become the gold standard for that activity.
 
"The worms crawl in, the worms crawl out..." .....

RJP: That image, was just, as my teenage daughters would say "Eeewwwww!"

Please, not 1st thing in the morning :D

I agree by the way :wink:
 
"The worms crawl in, the worms crawl out..." .....

Please, not 1st thing in the morning :D

Sorry - not first thing in the morning back here in the world!
 

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