Insulin pump and boat diving

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I've got more of a procedure question than a medical question. I'm going to be doing my first boat dive next month. I, like many others on this board, am a diabetic and were an insulin pump (not diving of course). My question is this, What should I do with my pump while I am diving? I've thought that I probably put it in a ziplock back to keep water from getting to it. Should I put it in something that can float as well, just in case it gets knocked into the water?

For those divers who wear insulin pumps, what do you do with yours?


Duane
 
Hi its nice to know there are other diabetic divers out there:)

I don't use a pump but i do always take my insulin and glucose with me wherever I go. I have just bought two Otter boxes. One to hold my pens, needles and test equipment and one will go with me on the dive. This box will hold a few glucose tablets so that if I did have a hypo I can surface and get glucose quickly. My buddy is well versed in what to do should I need help and is happy to take that responsibility.

Having said that I have never had a hypo whilst diving. I tend to run my sugars a bit high before a dive so that when i surface they are back to normal levels. This means that I do very little or no insulin before a dive.

I would be interested in your experience of the pump, I have been considering using one for sometime but the idea of a needle stuck in me at all times has put me off. Also how long can you remove the pump for? Long enough to get a dive in?? Prehaps you can PM me with your experiences.
 
Securing an insulin pump--->

http://www.pens.org/articles/smith_scuba-diving.htm

A local pharmacist can get the needed supplies, and perhaps advise in their application.

This is educational only and does not constitute or imply a doctor-patient relationship. It is not medical advice to you or any other individual, and should not be construed as such.

Best regards.

DocVikingo
 
I would like to start by saying that I am not a doctor or medical professional of any kind, but I am and have been an insulin dependent diabetic for a long time and I have a lot of experience in diving with diabetes.

I have a problem with the article that DocVikingo posted a link to. The article makes it sound like it is okay to go out and dive wearing an insulin pump, namely the Disetronic pump. The individual in this article stated that they had dove with the pump and experienced no problems with it, however, they did not state what their dive profile or anthing else was, and although they have not had any problems yet, trust me they WILL . None of the insulin pumps made are rated for scuba diving, and there are too many things that could and eventually will go wrong if one chooses to dive while wearing a pump, and some of them are very dangerous. For instance, what if the body of the pump which contains the main syringe is breeched in some way, either by bumping up against something or by increased pressure, this could cause the entire contents of the storage syringe to be dumped into your body at one time. Also the infusion sets that are used to deliver the insulin from the pump to your body are not certified for increased pressure underwater use, and if there was a breech in the delivery cathater all kinds of unwanted bacteria could be introduced into the system and your bloodstream. There are many many other possible and probable things that could go wrong, and when it comes down to it, it just doesn't make sense to try and dive while wearing an insulin pump and take a chance on hurting yourself or ruining your $4000.00 pump. If you would like more information on trying to dive with insulin pumps, or my experiences in diving with diabetes please feel free to ask or PM me.
 
I'm against wearing my pump while diving. I did find a thread where someone wore his MiniMed pump to a depth of 20 feet and the thing broke open.

My main question was not related to diving with an insulin pump on. I was asking what to do with the pump on the boat while I'm under water. How do I keep the thing from getting wet or from being dumped overboard.
 
One course of action would be to seal it in a ziplock bag, then store it in a micro series Pelican case.

These are watertight & darn near indestructible, plus they float.

Check them out at----> http://www.pelican.com/cases/cases.html

Best regards.

DocVikingo
 
Yes that's what I will be using, an Otter box is the same concept as the Pelican box (just another name). Mine are bright yellow so if they fall in the water I will be able to spot them pretty easily (well that's the plan).

I was also concerned about the idea of diving with the pump, if it can be removed safely for short periods in the day then that seems the best option.
 
jhnsndn once bubbled...

I did find a thread where someone wore his MiniMed pump to a depth of 20 feet and the thing broke open.

Your's Truly!!!
 
Most diabetics know more about their disease than their doctors but I think an overview is necessary here.

Please forgive me if I am teaching my granny to suck eggs. :)

There are two types of diabetes.

Type I, insulin dependent diabetes develops rapidly in young people and results from a complete failure of the pancreas to produce any insulin. These patients must use insulin to keep them alive. These patients are also known as suffering from Insulin Dependent Diabetes Mellitus (IDDM).

The western world is suffering an epidemic of the second kind of diabetes, type II or Maturity onset Diabetes. (MOD) caused by insulin resistance and associated with junk food and obesity and treated with diet and tablets at first.

Diabetes does not just affect blood sugar, it is a multisystem disease affecting the eyes, kidneys, heart and peripheral nerves. Diabetes is a common pre-cursor of ischaemic heart disease. The BSAC consider diabetes with any of these complications is an absolute contraindication to diving. They recommend referral to a medical referee for all diabetics and for other endocrine disorders and an annual dive medical is mandatory.

Diving with diabetes

No recreational scuba diving is risk free. The main additional risk of diving with diabetes is low blood sugar (a "hypo") with resulting unexpected loss of consciousness. But diving is still relatively safe for diabetics whose blood glucose levels are usually within the normal range, who don't have associated complications, and who record their blood glucose and precisely know how exercise affects it. There exist a subgroup of diabetics whose blood sugars are difficult to control or predict. These are commonly known as brittle diabetics and are obviously at greatest risk. This is the group who benefit most from the use of an insulin pump, as opposed to multiple daily injections.

Diving is not safe for people who don't meet the above criteria. Low blood sugar is not the only problem. High blood sugar will, due to too little insulin, cause an uncontrollable diuresis (urine production) leading to even more dehydration than the normal immersion diuresis which, we all know, increases the risks of DCI.

The following list describes in more detail situations in which diving is not safe for people with diabetes:


  • [*]It is unwise to dive if you are prone to impaired judgement, lack of physical coordination, or seizures during episodes of low blood sugar.

    [*]You are very unwise to dive if you cannot sense the initial warning signs of a hypo or if you have recently had a hypo that required someone's help to recognise or treat it. A severe hypo can also cause permanent brain damage.

    [*]Like any physical activity of over 4 METS , scuba diving will lower blood glucose levels so diving should be avoided if this level of exercise causes low blood glucose.

    [*]HbA1c levels, give an idea of average blood glucose control over the preceding two to three months, but in my opinion HbA1c cannot be relied upon as an indication that a diabetic is safe to dive.
    . For example, three consecutive abnormal monthly blood glucose readings of 17,3 and 8 mmols will give an near normal average of 9.3 mmol and quite possibly a misleadingly normal HbA1c, when it is clear that this person is a brittle diabetic and at added risk.

    [*]The complications of diabetes such as neuropathy (nerve damage), nephropathy (kidney disease), advanced retinopathy (eye disease), or ischaemic heart disease (heart problems) prohibit diving. It is almost a certainty that poor microcirculation—which is the precipitating cause of these complications —will hinder offgassing.


For your own safety, but to my mind more importantly the safety of others, it is imperative to talk about your diabetes with your dive buddy and dive marshal or instructor. You must explain what a hypo is, why it happens, what you can do to prevent it, how you can treat it and take a source of glucose and a glucagon injection with you on every trip. You should describe the signs of low blood sugar, especially those that would be apparent even underwater, such as shakiness, irritability, impatience, stubbornness, lack of coordination, and other strange behaviour.

Few scuba instructors and dive marshals know much about diabetes or the risks divers with diabetes face. You may find that some are not willing to accept the liability of taking a person with diabetes on a dive trip. This makes it tempting to avoid telling anyone that you have diabetes, but one only has to imagine that since the dive marshal doesn't know you have diabetes, he may plan a dive that's longer or more vigorous than you expected, which could lead to a hypo underwater. And, of course if you hide your diabetes, you will be unable to check your blood glucose level at the times you must.

I think diabetic divers would be wise to check their blood sugar as many as 12-15 times per day especially on a trip, thus learning how scuba diving and other forms of exercise affect their levels.

In spite of the risks of a slightly high blood glucose, preventing a hypo and being able to treat it properly are the most important considerations. Thus a highish level is wise pre-dive and it is important to do one check an hour before the dive, another 30 minutes before the dive, and a third just before entering the water to determine the trend and ensure it is not likely to fall to dangerously low levels. A stable pre-dive level of at least 8 mmol (180 mg/dl) is desired.

If the trend is downwards the dive must be aborted or postponed. A glucose-rich confection should be eaten and a further checks made to ensure blood glucose levels have returned to,and stay at, safe levels. It is also wise to make a note of what was eaten that day and keep these results, and that from an immediate post-dive check, with your dive log for future planning.

*All mechanical devices can fail and I consider an insulin pump should not be used underwater as this will add to the risks of blood glucose falling to dangerous levels.

There are many sources of almost neat glucose to treat hypos. I prescribe Hypo-stop and glucagon for my own insulin dependent diabetics, none of whom dive. Honey in a plastic bottle or tube or icing sugar in a plastic tube with a screw top also works and it is wise that a source of glucose is also added to the first aid kit.

Obviously the dive must be called at any point if a diabetic or their buddy suspects a hypo. This could be confused with narcosis and a very low threshold is recommended. Before the dive, make sure the buddy understands the added problems he faces, accepts the added responsibility and is willing to cut his dive short. It is wise to have a specific signal to instantly warn yourselves of a suspected hypo. Making an "L" with thumb and index finger is an unmistakable sign to use following which you must surface and take a minimum of 15 g glucose. In my opinion IDDM divers ought not to undertake technical diving because of this, but I suppose there is nothing to prevent a supply of glucose being taken on the dive to take immediately on surfacing.

Please take this as intended, an overview of the subject and is not aimed at any particular individual.
:doctor: :)

* edited on 12 /4/03
 
"On no account should an insulin pump be used underwater as this will almost certainly reduce blood glucose to dangerous levels."

And the support for this assertion is?

Best regards.

DocVikingo
 
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