Info Impact of a drysuit flood

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I’ve had a partial flood at a what I’d describe as concerning depth, with 4hrs deco in front of me, and this was off Southern Ireland luckily (foresighted as a possibility) I wear good quality undersuit gear that I know will offer some form of thermal protection if wet, anyway the thermals did as promised and the dive was completed safely, I should stress that every dive I do I always carry a yellow (colour of emergency) bottom sealing 45kg lift bag, in the event I loose all buoyancy and need to winch up it at least makes the job more favourable.
As per original post, Balanced Gear mentality, I don’t dwell on bad things happening but like to think most eventualities are catered for.. (like the small white slate I carry in my notes and the clip that is stitched atop the bag already mentioned which it fits) my thought being “oh emergency eh! I wonder what’s happening?” Being the problem topside….

Safe diving.
 
I’ve had a partial flood at a what I’d describe as concerning depth, with 4hrs deco in front of me, and this was off Southern Ireland luckily (foresighted as a possibility) I wear good quality undersuit gear that I know will offer some form of thermal protection if wet, anyway the thermals did as promised and the dive was completed safely
Do you have a heated undergarment? The risk of a drysuit flood and severe hypothermia is one of the reasons why we limit maximum deco time for ocean dives. I think I could tough it out for an hour if I had to without becoming completely incapacitated, but I'm not sure precisely where to draw the line.
Another local diver had his drysuit neck seal come loose on a deco dive resulting in a complete flood. His wing still worked so buoyancy wasn't a problem, but the deco stops were miserable.
 
Based on a recent thread regarding a balanced rig, a question arose as to just how much buoyancy is lost when a drysuit floods. It just so happens that I wanted to directly measure my trilaminate drysuit buoyancy while wearing my Fourth Element Xerotherm+Arctic undergarments (together) before I take a trip to Lake Michigan. (Knowing this makes it easy to be correctly weighted with various combinations of gear I use, whether that's a single AL80, single LP85 steel, or double versions of either; AL or steel backplate or sidemount, etc.) Mission accomplished: wearing just the suit (lofted with my normal amount of air, exhaust wide open), I needed 31 lb of lead to be neutral.

For any dive, I want to be weighted such that I am neutral with an empty wing & about 1 lb of air in the tank (about 500 psi in an AL80). (If I need to use that reserve air, I can breath shallow and still remain neutral.) For a cold-water, single-tank dive, I would use my LP85 steel tank. Because the steel tank, stainless backplate, lights, etc. partially offset the positive suit buoyancy, I only need an additional 16 lbs of lead to be neutral at the end of the dive. However, if I am neutral at the end, I will be about -7 lb at the beginning of the dive (the weight of the non-reserve gas in my tank), so I put a bit of air in my wing to compensate. The positive wing and suit buoyancy exactly balance all the negative equipment/lead/gas, by design. This is what I consider "properly weighted" (though I concede that it's useful to be a couple lbs heavier in some situations).

I had a bit of time left... so I opened the zipper underwater and completely flooded the suit. I mean COMPLETELY, making sure no air was left. I then removed the belt... and stayed right there on the bottom. With a fully flooded suit, I had the same buoyancy that I have in a swimsuit alone -- basically neutral. However, that means before dropping that weight belt, I was negatively buoyant by 31 lbs and could not have kicked to the surface. If I were on the above dive wearing this suit and both suit and wing were to completely fail, I would be at -38 lb (suit + gas).

So can I get out of this pickle? Dropping my 16 lbs of lead would be a good start (net of -22 lbs now). I carry a 6 ft DSMB that conveniently develops about 22 lb of lift (taking me to neutral). What if I lost the DSMB? (I would actually carry 2 for such a dive.) Honestly though, I would try to salvage some buoyancy out of the wing and/or suit by putting the damaged portion lower in the water. I expect I could become positively buoyant without too much trouble. If not? Well, that's one reason I like to dive with a solid/capable buddy. Their fully-functioning wing is only supporting 7 lbs of gas weight, leaving plenty to help drag my unlucky butt to the surface.

My initial desire for this post was to simply report that I lost the entirety of my suit buoyancy when it was completely flooded. However, this being the Basic Forum, I decided to illustrate some of the thinking I feel a drysuit diver should undertake. (A similar issue is faced by wetsuit divers, so don't ignore all this -- you'll lose buoyancy due to suit compression at depth.) What are the ramifications of your equipment choices? Can you deal with a wing failure? Can you deal with a total suit failure? What options -- plural -- do you have if they both somehow fail? Do you even need ditchable weight at all? Is it safe to ditch ALL your lead (without inducing an uncontrolled/runaway ascent)? Play the 'what if' game from the comfort of your chair.

If you haven't seen it, I strongly urge you to check out the Optimal Buoyancy Computer. That is a tool available for download that was created specifically to explore this topic, and my heartfelt thanks to @rsingler for that. It's certainly useful to help pin down the amount of lead you need, but having insight into how much of that can/should be ditchable and additional backup buoyancy required may well be critical someday.
 
I had a bit of time left... so I opened the zipper underwater and completely flooded the suit. I mean COMPLETELY, making sure no air was left. I then removed the belt... and stayed right there on the bottom.

You are a brave person (or insane). Thanks for the doing the experiment for the rest of us so we don't have to! I have been very wet inside a dry suit on occasion, but never a complete "flood." I have the same undergarments you do -- 4th Element Arctic and Xerotherm vest -- typically not freezing even when somewhat wet, but you definitely notice it as soon as you are out of the water. (Fortunately, my newer drysuit actually keeps me -- mostly -- dry.)
 
I've been doing something that has never caught on. I use the farmers of my 3mm tropical wet suit as part of my dry suit underwear. Under Armor long johns, 3mm farmers and additional fleece as needed. Two benefits- wet suit guarantees partial buoyancy in a flooded suit, and for those of us why dive deep wrecks in the great lakes (bottom temps of 40F all year long) thermal protection in full suit failure. With a flooded suit in freezing water, your survival can be 15-20 min. Add in a deco obligation, and you are having a bad day. 3mm wet suit with UA long johns is very comfortable, and less bulky than wooly bears, fleece or thermal undergarments.
 
Do you have a heated undergarment? The risk of a drysuit flood and severe hypothermia is one of the reasons why we limit maximum deco time for ocean dives. I think I could tough it out for an hour if I had to without becoming completely incapacitated, but I'm not sure precisely where to draw the line.
Another local diver had his drysuit neck seal come loose on a deco dive resulting in a complete flood. His wing still worked so buoyancy wasn't a problem, but the deco stops were miserable.
Yeah I have a full santi heated suit and gloves, but always use with a thin base layer for obvious reasons,
 
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