Illegal dumping of lead/arsenic into waterways by SeaSoft

[rjack321]

Sure. People and businesses sue the government all the time. Many times very successfully.

Does not work that way *at all*. Plus in this case Ecology almost assuredly has sovereign immunity - and their enforcement orders are vetted by their Attorney General representative (who for obvious reason will never post here). Liable would hinge on a dispute of the facts and that the order was issued maliciously. So first Seasoft would have to prove that Ecology's order is factually incorrect, and that Ecology pursued those factual errors despite knowing they were errors and for the purpose of defaming Seasoft (uh huh...). To dispute the facts of this order Seasoft must (by law) first appeal to the pollution control hearings board (Pollution Control Hearings Board). If that does not resolve the complaint to his satisfaction he can appeal that decision to Thurston County superior court, and it goes up from there.

 

[BRT]

Does not work that way *at all*. Plus in this case Ecology almost assuredly has sovereign immunity - and their enforcement orders are vetted by their Attorney General representative (who for obvious reason will never post here). Liable would hinge on a dispute of the facts and that the order was issued maliciously. So first Seasoft would have to prove that Ecology's order is factually incorrect, and that Ecology pursued those factual errors despite knowing they were errors and for the purpose of defaming Seasoft (uh huh...). To dispute the facts of this order Seasoft must (by law) first appeal to the pollution control hearings board (Pollution Control Hearings Board). If that does not resolve the complaint to his satisfaction he can appeal that decision to Thurston County superior court, and it goes up from there.

When they want you, they get you.

 

[rjack321]

When they want you, they get you.

Bruce can appeal and I will await the PCHB's decision on the merits of their respective positions. I would not be surprised if the fine is reduced in exchange for compliance plus some "good deed" in the interest of making restitution. If he goes in saying "Poor poor seasoft was just trying to make a buck as a small business owner and all those pesky workplace safety and hazardous materials laws got in the way. Woo is me I am such a victim of big government."

Yea that argument? He will lose, spectacularly.

 

[BRT]

Bruce can appeal and I will await the PCHB's decision on the merits of their respective positions. I would not be surprised if the fine is reduced in exchange for compliance plus some "good deed" in the interest of making restitution. If he goes in saying "Poor poor seasoft was just trying to make a buck as a small business owner and all those pesky workplace safety and hazardous materials laws got in the way. Woo is me I am such a victim of big government."

Yea that argument? He will lose, spectacularly.

Yep. You have to kowtow and tell them they are doing a great work. Then pay them enough money to keep doing that great work. Then they will reduce the penalties down enough to keep you alive for the next milking.

 

[lionfish-eater]

Or

Yep. You have to kowtow and tell them they are doing a great work. Then pay them enough money to keep doing that great work. Then they will reduce the penalties down enough to keep you alive for the next milking.

Or you can implement proper procedures for handling a toxic substance and protecting your employees and their children.

 

[BRT]

Or



Or you can implement proper procedures for handling a toxic substance and protecting your employees and their children.

I'll bet you have lost more lead to the water supply than they have.

 

[fmerkel]

How does arsenic get in lead shot? If it's just inherent in it? How is that allowed? It was largely banned a long time ago.

[PROBLEMS WITH LEAD SHOT
Problems with the use of lead shot were discovered by extensive testing during the 1970s and 1980s. This resulted in a phasing out of lead shot as an allowable waterfowl load from 1986 to 1991. Waterfowl and other birds can die if they eat even very small amounts of spent lead shot. Swans are the most visible evidence of lead poisoning, due to their habit of feeding deep within wetlands that have lead pellets still remaining from past hunting seasons. Lead-poisoned ducks and other birds carrying embedded lead shot also are known to cause poisoning in other species. For example, bald eagles and other raptors can be poisoned by feeding on other wildlife carrying or containing lead shot. Problems in other wildlife species have also been recently documented]

Soft weights for divers: They are ubiquitous, not just a Seasoft product. After using them awhile I noticed a milky exudate came out when rinsed. I just figured that had to not be good and I was contributing to the problem. I don't know what the actual chemical makeup is, if it's toxic, or if it's a serious contributor to lead problem, but it doesn't feel right. This is happening everywhere soft lead is being used for weights. I've gone to hard lead weights. But soft shot is still readily available and used commonly. Are divers contributing to this issue?

I have checked out using tungsten for weight. WOW!!! $$$$
Doesn't seem like a viable alternative. Is there one that is cost effective? Hard or coated lead seem the most viable for now.

 

[bcaderunr]

Or



Or you can implement proper procedures for handling a toxic substance and protecting your employees and their children.

And what did YOU do with all those leftover chemicals that you used during YOUR film photography years?

 

[chillyinCanada]

When we know better, we do better?

 

[lv2dive]

I’m all for protecting the environment but that press release sounded intentionally misleading. Every time I think government can’t get more ridiculous, I am reminded not to think. I’ll look for SeaSoft products to buy in the near future.