If considering a purchase from ScubaDiverGreg

[Peter_C]

I've been reading this with interest but stayed out of this until now. There needs to be some kind of a creed we scuba divers stand for and that is taking care of each other as buddies. I buy and sell on lots of different forums and that is how I expect to be treated and would treat someone purchasing from me. I have had two instances on this board were a mistake was made in advertising and both times they stepped up and took care of it. Now it is time for ScubaDiverGreg to take care of OldmanandtheC. If there are costs associated with the repair the seller should step up and cover them period.

For a legendary long read of justice being served. Nothing like having your family photos and life posted on the internet for all to see. Different situation, but not that far away either. Don't get Wenzeled

 

[Rainer]

Greg, step up and be a man. Get in touch with S&S and get this camera replaced YOURSELF for OMatC.

 

[a22shady]

I just don't agreee at all. I have bought and sold a bunch of items on here and other boards. First thing I do before posting is check and then double check to make sure it's working properlly or atleast to the best of my knowledge. (If the IP iside a 1st stage 5points below I couldnt tell But i know its working properlly) computer turns on and functions etc. And I always ask this of sellers. For me personally New in box or not I would want to know that it turns on still and operates corectly Maybe this would have happened to him maybe not. But atleast the duties to make sure have been done. And even if it was me selling an item defective on arrival and I could be sure It was not dove with Dropped or something. I would return buyers money or due what I could. If it was under warranty I would ask for the item to be shipped back and Would take care of warranty repair.

 

[N2BLUE]

Man, I had high hopes that this situation would be resolved with the offending party, "doing the right thing". This is a SCUBA forum. We all share a common bond and we feel as though we can trust one another. For 'ScubaDiverGreg' and all the other idiots that wish to drone on about "buyer responsibility"(yes, I called you idiots), stick to e-bay and craigslist. We are divers, we pass along gear and hook each other up without supplementing our income and do not profit from sales. This is occurring with an alarming frequency. Maybe we should form regional contacts with whom we could turn to in these events. Those contacts would in turn beat the **** outta the bum that wronged a SB member. Just a thought...

 

[eperet1986]

I like the idea of regional contacts. But I think it's already been established -- with the different local dive shops in each part of the Con US. Although it has not reached to a level like scubaboard where people from different LDS communicate. I hope no one gets the sh*t beat out them.

 

[vladimir]

Again, it was an expensive lesson but I stand by my statement that I will only buy local (I don't see how asking a myriad amount/number of questions would really have changed the outcome) and I in all probability will purchase new from a dealer

Your point is well taken, but I would say that rather than insist on buying local, the lesson is to only deal with somebody who places value on their reputation. This obviously exempts anonymous people on the internet as well as fly-by-night resellers. But legitimate businesses on the internet do have a large stake in keeping their reputations intact, particularly since their customer base has such a ready means to besmirch it.

(I too thought that SB operated by a different set of rules/standards) but but it seems that it is not just Mark/Marek that thinks that once it leaves their hands it is the purchaser's problem (In fairness, I guess some of you think that as long as you ask the right amount/kind of questions, that you deserve to be treated differently).

I have done one transaction here on Scubaboard, with jkatarenchuk; he paid in advance and trusted me to deliver the promised goods, which we had discussed in a series of PMs and phone calls beforehand. (I should have tweaked his trader rating, but I don't do a lot of e-bay type commerce, so it didn't occur to me.) You are correct though, all the questions in the world won't help if your counterparty lacks integrity. They will help prevent misunderstandings between two well-intentioned parties though.

The most important question, I think, is, "is this an as is, or caveat emptor transaction, or do you warrant the goods to be new, functional, or whatever."

Another good queston is, "Why are you selling it?"

Why was ScubDiverGreg selling a brand new camera for $200 less than he paid for it? Hmmm.

 

[John Gulliver]

@ OldmanandtheC

I was the one who informed you about Paypal. While it is true that recovery of $$$ is bleak, here is my advice to you. File the claim. Why? Now that you have receipt and proof that the camera is indeed malfunctioning when you received it, they can use that to block the seller's Paypal account. Thereby disabling his misconduct, atleast for the meantime. If he wanted to open a new Paypal, he will have to change his credit cards, address, bank account the entire process. By doing this, you could help others by protecting them from this person.

I agree. Do it if you can, OldmanandtheC! You've nothing to lose.

 

[DCBC]

If I have something that is new (still in the box) and offer it for sale, I don't misrepresent the product and someone (wanting to get a good deal) buys it. How have I been disreputable in any way?

If I later found that the product was defective, I'd do my best to get it sent for repairs and help the Buyer as much as possible. I would do this out of fairness, not out of actual responsibility.

I would not think that the item was mine, as it was sold in good faith. I did not suggest that I would warranty the item, nor did I say that the manufacturer would honor any warranty.

I believe that being honest, making no misrepresentations and selling something for less money than I paid for it absolves me of any responsibility. We are all big boys here.

Under the doctrine of "caveat emptor," (let the buyer beware) the buyer can not recover from the seller for defects on the item if it's unfit, unless the Seller concealed defects or otherwise made misrepresentations (fraud). This is not apparently the case, as the Seller has been forthright in his knowledge of the item. It was still in the package and unused.

How about if things were turned around and I sell a coin for $50 and think it's a fair price. The Buyer knows that the coin is worth $5000 and is rare and purchases the coin. Is the Buyer going to give the Seller more money? No. Tough luck, you didn't know what you had. The Seller loses. No deceit, thems the brakes.

We can feel sorry for the Buyer in this case, but give the Seller a break. He didn't know anything was wrong and is doing his best to rectify the problem.

Obviously this is an unfortunate situation. Many of us have purchased something that didn't live-up to our expectations. Any time we buy something used, we take a chance. We all know this. We can't expect the seller to warranty the sale after the fact. It wasn't included in the deal.

We expect honesty from any seller, other than that when buying a used item not under warranty, "caveat emptor." It may be unfortunate, but it's the law.

 

[John Gulliver]

We can feel sorry for the Buyer in this case, but give the Seller a break. He didn't know anything was wrong and is doing his best to rectify the problem.

That's where I, and evidently others, disagree. He has done NOTHING to rectify the situation apart from e-mailing a scan of the sales receipt after much prompting. And that proved to be of no help whatsoever, as could be foreseen. We're not arguing about what the law says but about what comon decency dictates.

 

[idocsteve]

We can feel sorry for the Buyer in this case, but give the Seller a break. He didn't know anything was wrong and is doing his best to rectify the problem.

He most certainly is not "doing his best to rectify the problem".

Such an ignorant statement is an insult to the buyer, and to everyone who has responded on the behalf of the seller.