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Why are we doing this? If I can't access I to I as a DM That's fine. I liked to look there occasionally and rarely posted anything as a DM. If I CAN still be a "member", why the "upgrade" change thing? Didn't we go through this like 8 years ago? What's different about the "upgrade" anyway? If it is for financial reasons, I thoroughly agree to keep this 20+ year thing going strong. Otherwise, I now have to move my mouse to check out my 3 big forums, New Divers, Basic & Advanced. Otherwise, there is NO change from the "old" SB. "Change the website & upgrade"-- the call of the Wild post 2000....No access to the link provided