"I refuse to dive with him!"

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Rick Murchison:
Never!
I understand where you're coming from - this is a "point of view" point, but ...
Actually, it's a perspective point ... as in, consider the audience to whom I am speaking ... namely OW and AOW students.

Self-sufficiency is a worthy goal ... but it takes practice. To the new diver, having a buddy who can help you out is often a matter of safety.

That's why we encourage mentors.

Certainly, as a diver gets more experienced, self-sufficiency is something they want to work toward achieving ... but few, if any, start out with that capability ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
Diver0001:
Wow....I just read the rest of this thread. There sure is a lot of frustration out there about people's buddy skills.....

.....but who *are* these buddies.....? It's us.

You know....I think we need to stop writing about the other guy and bring this home..... We need to write about what *we* can do to be better buddies.....

I'll start.

I would be a better buddy if .....

I would be a better buddy if I made more frequent eye contact and reflected a little more on how my buddy is doing.

Who's next?

R..


Well said. I think your approach will truly make this thread even more valuable. Not just that there are...<what choice of words>... Difficult situations... that may make a dive less enjoyable, but that many of us have had challenges on a dive or two in our logs. (either by being the challenge or being with it)

I'll be a better buddy when I get in shape and stop cutting my buddies dive short by sucking a tank of air so fast.
 
I have wondered for quite sometime why they haven't come up with a "dive buddy" course. They give you a few hints to start but may be interesting to have a real course on the subject. I had two excellent instructors that amazingly got me certified and one of them I still dive with regularly just to practice skills, tweak gear etc. in local ponds, lakes. He is my number one favorite dive buddy but has also taught me how to take care of myself and work with new divers. When I do classes I usually give my phone number to the newly certified and tell them I will dive with them whenever, as mentioned you can't get better if you don't dive and we can be as conservetive as needed, I can have my hour long dives another day. I have not ran into much trouble on trips with new divers other than a trip I took with an inexperienced buddy wheeeww, still try to work with him but some people are challenged I guess. I also called a deep dive on a wreck diving with a new buddy (instructor) he left me went into the wreck??? oops. I went up hovered with some other divers and seen the biggest green moray. Also had another AI take off flirting with a girl and left me cuddling a rock trying to get the air out of my drysuit. I've had DM/AI/Instuctors do the ADHD diving and leave me huffing and puffing, least enjoyable dives. Don't recall a new diver ever frustrating me as much as the pros so maybe there is a different side of the story for some of us. And a new diver is alot more accepting of suggestions and assistance, try telling a pro they messed up, won't go there. So hats off to those who enjoy doing some diving with new divers, it is very rewarding and everyone gets to dive and continue improving their skills in one way or another. I agree diving with a new diver you automatically end up focusing on them instead of just the pleasure of diving and that can be frustrating if it is dive after dive after dive. Now and again it is good mentoring, PR, professionalism, giving back, and just makes one feel good.
 
NadMat:
point of view = perspective

or for programmers pov == perspective
Actually in this case ...

point of view = opinion
perspective = audience

American English is rather contextual ... it cannot, in any sense, be compared to a programming language, which is precise.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
diverdenise:
I have wondered for quite sometime why they haven't come up with a "dive buddy" course.
They have ... it's called DIR-Fundamentals.

The sad fact is, too many folk get hung up on gear configurations and Internet controversies and miss the more important elements of the program ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
NWGratefulDiver:
Actually in this case ...

point of view = opinion
perspective = audience

American English is rather contextual ... it cannot, in any sense, be compared to a programming language, which is precise.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

It was meant to be a joke, forgot to add smileys;)

the unary equals is assignment vs the binary equals which is truth comparison.
at least in C/C++

Also, with function overloading possibilities in C++, many things are contextual.
 
JMcD:
I'll be a better buddy when I get in shape and stop cutting my buddies dive short by sucking a tank of air so fast.
Getting in shape can help ... but I know some very out-of-shape divers who are very good with air consumption.

Here are some tips from a paper I just e-mailed to another ScubaBoarder that will help you improve your air consumption considerably ...

Breathing
Scuba diving presents most of us with the first time in our lives that we have ever actually had to think about breathing. For the most part, it’s something we just do and never give a whole lot of thought to. But underwater it affects us dramatically. And there is a technique to proper breathing on scuba gear. In general, you want to take long, slow, deep breaths. A complete inhale and exhale should take anywhere from 5 to 8 seconds … sometimes longer for more practiced divers. Rapid breathing affects our buoyancy … shallow breathing tends to build up carbon-dioxide in our body, which causes us to feel oxygen starved and breathe harder and faster. Practice long, slow, deep breathing on land … and then try it in the water. You will often notice an immediate improvement in your buoyancy control, and over time will notice that as your buoyancy control improves, so does your gas consumption.

Weighting
Improper weighting will affect your gas consumption considerably. Divers who are overweighted will go through their gas faster because they have to carry excessive gas in their BCD or wing to maintain neutral buoyancy, and even small changes in depth will cause excessive changes in their buoyancy because of the expansion or compression of that extra gas. You should perform weight checks any time you get a new piece of gear, and occasionally as your diving skills improve, because simply learning how to relax more underwater will often allow you to lose weights you thought you needed. Conversely, underweighted divers will struggle to stay down … working harder than they need to, which will also cause you to breathe harder than you should and consume your gas supply at a faster than needed rate.

Trim
Humans are psychologically oriented in a vertical position … it’s what we’ve done since we learned how to walk, and when learning scuba we must teach ourselves to move about in a horizontal position. Proper trim is very important to good gas consumption. Water is 800 times heavier than air, and we cannot efficiently move through water in the same way we move through air. Maintaining a horizontal position means that as we move through the water, we have to move less water out of our way than we would in a vertical position. It also radically increases the efficiency of our fins to move us in the direction we want to go. Both of those are huge factors in terms of our air consumption, because it reduces the amount of work we need to do to move about.

Swimming speed
Many divers, new divers in particular, tend to swim rather quickly. While that will get you from point to point faster, it will also increase your air consumption dramatically. In fact, the faster you go the more air you will consume getting from one place to another. Slow down … it’s not a race! There are lots of tiny creatures (and even some large ones that are good at camouflage) that you will miss if you speed by. Going slow, and keeping your fin kicks relatively small, will improve your air consumption dramatically.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
NWGratefulDiver:
Trim
Humans are psychologically oriented in a vertical position … it’s what we’ve done since we learned how to walk, and when learning scuba we must teach ourselves to move about in a horizontal position. Proper trim is very important to good gas consumption. Water is 800 times heavier than air, and we cannot efficiently move through water in the same way we move through air. Maintaining a horizontal position means that as we move through the water, we have to move less water out of our way than we would in a vertical position. It also radically increases the efficiency of our fins to move us in the direction we want to go. Both of those are huge factors in terms of our air consumption, because it reduces the amount of work we need to do to move about.


... Bob (Grateful Diver)
change that to:
'Maintaining a horizontal position means that as we move horizontally through the water, we have to move less water out of our way than we would in a vertical position.'
and I agree completely
 
NadMat:
change that to:
'Maintaining a horizontal position means that as we move horizontally through the water, we have to move less water out of our way than we would in a vertical position.'
and I agree completely
Thanks ... would you like the whole document? I could use a good editor ... :D

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 

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