hey dale just so you know where Im coming from.I agreed with that in post #12 after reading post #11. My sentiments are of general application.
In my line of work I get to see the end result of stuff done to vehicles that from the nature of your posts I reckon you would shudder over.
I've come to the conclusion that with a fairly large section of the population you should ban them from ever touching a screwdriver/spanner/socket set.
That kind of person really is best to trust the competence of their LDS where you stand a half reasonable chance of the gear coming back working properly.