uwsince79
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you wrote- "Dont take as an example what happened 20-30 years ago. The diving world was different than."
I agree In some ways yes but in other ways I say no no.
you wrote-"Who is to say who is good enough to teach scuba?
One may decide that because he's done 30 dives and very smart, can teach his kids, another after 50 dives and another after 500 dives. There's no end to it."
I do believe that I agree with you again once more. I must add this, It is the individual who makes up the instructor. But it is the instructors that make up the industry.
You also wrote "Than there's the "second generation" no certification divers, those that were trained by un-certified divers. Who can guarantee any minimal skills/knowledge in these?"
Who on earth do you think started the agencies you all teach for. I said in the opening of my post that I agree that an instructor is the way to go. But please! I dive and learn from every dive, still to this day. I dive and have been taught by both professionals and non-professionals alike. But MOST OF MY SKILLS have been taught to me by non- professionals. BECAUSE THERE WERE NO INSTRUCTORS AT THE LEVELS WE WERE DIVING. Most of what I was taught over 10 years ago are just becoming standards now!!!! Do you think EAN or Technical was embraced by you industry? PLEASE. Go find some back copies of Aquacorps and see what the industry just thought of Nitrox. As far as knowledge goes, I will go up against anyone or any time. What is the worst thing that can happen, I learn something new? Every time I have ever dove with someone, they have asked me to dive with them again or to help them with some aspect of diving. Now these are just words so, if you find yourself in S Fla. Drop me a line and lets go diving!
You also stated- "To imply that even someone with 300 (or for this matter 3000) dives, is not qualified to teach untill properly trained."
What I said was: I do not advocate the teaching of scuba by anyone other than a qualified Instructor and under no way do I think, Instructor or not, do you have any business teaching with less than at least 300 dives under your belt and none of them double dipped in order to meet some qualification standard. (There are those of you out there that know what I mean.) Does that qualify you to teach? H**l NO. Does it give you some time in the water, and time to experience some of what diving has to offer? I THINK, It might. What I am advocating is a higher standard for someone to become an instructor. Did I say 300 dives gives to the knowledge to teach? Of course not, teachers are there own special breed.
Then you wrote-"Let's talk panic. When instructing new students, there's quite a risk of someone panicking. An instructor, that has dealt with these situations, will handle it right. Anyone else, even a rescue diver, may not get the picture on time. It takes a lot of experience, in INSTRUCTING to recognize all the problems a student may have, before he even has it. And seeing these things is one of the things that makes a good instructor."
Now you have struck a nerve, to think the arrogance of you an Instructor the only one qualified to deal with the situation is utter BS! Anyone else, even a rescue diver, may not get the picture on time. HA, I had to help an Instructor and his student not 3 weeks ago. And had to save an DM who almost drowned less that a month ago. And on Monday I had a DM run out of air at 115 FSW. SO dont feed this board a bunch of nonsense about Instructors being the end all. Give DAN a call and see who ends up Jammed up the most. Might be an eye opening call for you. Yes instructors are taught to recognize problems and deal with STUDENTS, but so can anyone with proper experienced of course this is MY OPINION.
You stated- "An instructor has gone through certain levels of diving, and was tested, to make sure he is up to certain standards. Those aren't the toughest around, but still, he has to make it. Anyone else isn't even tested for these standards."
You are taught to teach and to assist students not to be a good diver, plane and simple. A good diver comes with time.
And you wrote- "You want to teach your kid how to dive?
here's an idea- Why don't YOU go for an instructor course?
I know quite some people who did instructor course just to be able to teach their kids.
Oh yeah, the $$$. Go kill your kidd to save some."
Now I too and a very proud dad, and I know you are trying to make a point but telling anyone to kill their child and save some money just goes to show the level of professionalism you are at.
You owe the man an apology, period!
you wrote- "Dont take as an example what happened 20-30 years ago. The diving world was different than."
I agree In some ways yes but in other ways I say no no.
you wrote-"Who is to say who is good enough to teach scuba?
One may decide that because he's done 30 dives and very smart, can teach his kids, another after 50 dives and another after 500 dives. There's no end to it."
I do believe that I agree with you again once more. I must add this, It is the individual who makes up the instructor. But it is the instructors that make up the industry.
You also wrote "Than there's the "second generation" no certification divers, those that were trained by un-certified divers. Who can guarantee any minimal skills/knowledge in these?"
Who on earth do you think started the agencies you all teach for. I said in the opening of my post that I agree that an instructor is the way to go. But please! I dive and learn from every dive, still to this day. I dive and have been taught by both professionals and non-professionals alike. But MOST OF MY SKILLS have been taught to me by non- professionals. BECAUSE THERE WERE NO INSTRUCTORS AT THE LEVELS WE WERE DIVING. Most of what I was taught over 10 years ago are just becoming standards now!!!! Do you think EAN or Technical was embraced by you industry? PLEASE. Go find some back copies of Aquacorps and see what the industry just thought of Nitrox. As far as knowledge goes, I will go up against anyone or any time. What is the worst thing that can happen, I learn something new? Every time I have ever dove with someone, they have asked me to dive with them again or to help them with some aspect of diving. Now these are just words so, if you find yourself in S Fla. Drop me a line and lets go diving!
You also stated- "To imply that even someone with 300 (or for this matter 3000) dives, is not qualified to teach untill properly trained."
What I said was: I do not advocate the teaching of scuba by anyone other than a qualified Instructor and under no way do I think, Instructor or not, do you have any business teaching with less than at least 300 dives under your belt and none of them double dipped in order to meet some qualification standard. (There are those of you out there that know what I mean.) Does that qualify you to teach? H**l NO. Does it give you some time in the water, and time to experience some of what diving has to offer? I THINK, It might. What I am advocating is a higher standard for someone to become an instructor. Did I say 300 dives gives to the knowledge to teach? Of course not, teachers are there own special breed.
Then you wrote-"Let's talk panic. When instructing new students, there's quite a risk of someone panicking. An instructor, that has dealt with these situations, will handle it right. Anyone else, even a rescue diver, may not get the picture on time. It takes a lot of experience, in INSTRUCTING to recognize all the problems a student may have, before he even has it. And seeing these things is one of the things that makes a good instructor."
Now you have struck a nerve, to think the arrogance of you an Instructor the only one qualified to deal with the situation is utter BS! Anyone else, even a rescue diver, may not get the picture on time. HA, I had to help an Instructor and his student not 3 weeks ago. And had to save an DM who almost drowned less that a month ago. And on Monday I had a DM run out of air at 115 FSW. SO dont feed this board a bunch of nonsense about Instructors being the end all. Give DAN a call and see who ends up Jammed up the most. Might be an eye opening call for you. Yes instructors are taught to recognize problems and deal with STUDENTS, but so can anyone with proper experienced of course this is MY OPINION.
You stated- "An instructor has gone through certain levels of diving, and was tested, to make sure he is up to certain standards. Those aren't the toughest around, but still, he has to make it. Anyone else isn't even tested for these standards."
You are taught to teach and to assist students not to be a good diver, plane and simple. A good diver comes with time.
And you wrote- "You want to teach your kid how to dive?
here's an idea- Why don't YOU go for an instructor course?
I know quite some people who did instructor course just to be able to teach their kids.
Oh yeah, the $$$. Go kill your kidd to save some."
Now I too and a very proud dad, and I know you are trying to make a point but telling anyone to kill their child and save some money just goes to show the level of professionalism you are at.
You owe the man an apology, period!
eace:
