Have training standards "slipped"?

[Thalassamania]

Basically what I thought you meant then.. Being able to grab the valve, I should be able to grab the hoses too.. I now know what Im going to try on my next dive, thanks.

Hope it helps, do let us all know.

 

[Tigerman]

Bungee the alternate. That's too much futzing. You don't need any hands with a bungee. Very handy when you are blowing like a flag, hanging on an upline.

Strong currents is not in my scope yet and if I suddenly accidentally find myself in one, Ive made a series of very bad decisions prior to getting there. For a start getting in the water without a clue about the conditions.
But yeah, bungees and many other things are things I know people use, in large thanks to this board..

Hope it helps, do let us all know.

Dont be supprised if I can let you know within the next 12 hrs

 

[neil]

Another thing that standards don't require and the text doesn't even touch on.

NAUI standards require gas planning:

From NAUI S&P
2.29 -Monitor air supply and communicate amount remaining upon request and manage air supply so as to surface within a pre-planned minimum air limit.

2.30-Measure, record and calculate individual air consumption (as surface air consumption rate) using a submersible pressure gauge, depth gauge and timing device.
-Plan and make a no-required-decompression stop dive to a depth between 40 and 60 feet. Planning is to consider at a minimum: adequate breathing gas supply for descent, time at depth, ascent, precautionary stop and safety margin.

 

[Mako Mark]

OK NOW I AM MAD.

I just got off another thread where divers were complaining about the cost of a dive course. $550 and they felt they had been ripped off. Others were talking of courses for less than $200.

COME ON PEOPLE..

If dive instructors are valued by their clients at burger flipper wage, then you cant expect them to give Ritz Carlton service, do the math.

 

[MBH]

Bungee the alternate. That's too much futzing. You don't need any hands with a bungee. Very handy when you are blowing like a flag, hanging on an upline.

Thank you dear.
When the long hose secondary regulator leaves my mouth, the necklaced regulator goes in.

 

[tep]

Here's something I would like to see changed in training: the regulator sweep. Why not go for the alternate FIRST. ....

Funny you should mention it. My LDS has teaches both the "usual" 2-reg rental setup AND the (GUE?) "second on a necklace", and they taught the sweep *specifically* for when using rental gear ONLY IF your secondary isn't attached to a safe-t-plug, and going straight for the secondary on the necklace and then sweeping when using that setup.

In other words, no matter what youre setup, go for the reg you don't have to sweep for, first, THEN sweep.

This was basic SSI OW, but the LDS has a few tech/AOW crossover divers and instructors. I'm beginning to think we got the basic SSI, plus some tech/GUE crossover, all in the beginning.

 

[daniel f aleman]

The bungied 2nd (octo) has been around a lot longer than GUE.

 

[MikeFerrara]

OK NOW I AM MAD.

I just got off another thread where divers were complaining about the cost of a dive course. $550 and they felt they had been ripped off. Others were talking of courses for less than $200.

COME ON PEOPLE..

If dive instructors are valued by their clients at burger flipper wage, then you cant expect them to give Ritz Carlton service, do the math.

Good point. We're talking McDiving here.

 

[MikeFerrara]

NAUI standards require gas planning:

From NAUI S&P
2.29 -Monitor air supply and communicate amount remaining upon request and manage air supply so as to surface within a pre-planned minimum air limit.

2.30-Measure, record and calculate individual air consumption (as surface air consumption rate) using a submersible pressure gauge, depth gauge and timing device.
-Plan and make a no-required-decompression stop dive to a depth between 40 and 60 feet. Planning is to consider at a minimum: adequate breathing gas supply for descent, time at depth, ascent, precautionary stop and safety margin.

That's good but not all standards read that way. Just one more example showing that agencies are NOT the same.

 

[daniel f aleman]

What are we really talking about here: Open Water and Advanced Open Water classes, and what the curriculum should be?

Who makes the determination as to what is the industry "standard curriculum"? Well, the market place dictates the industry standard curriculum. And, "all agencies are NOT the same" is the part of the dialog. Students have the responsibility for their choices in dive instruction.

(Mike, do you find any current agency OW and AOW instruction to your liking?)