"Guided" 200' dive with a single AL80?

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LOL. I know it's a serious matter, but I have to say, between here and TDS, this is a good Saturday night thread...

As far as replies, the OP keeps coming back for more, so who knows??? Has anyone checked out his other vids on Youtube?

Being a newer TDI tech diver I'm learning alot from this thread...like thank god for my intsructor and tech training. The more you learn, the more you realize you didn't know in the first place. Just like the OP...he doesn't know...:mooner:

And you're darn right, this is a good Saturday night thread...I've haven't laughed that hard for a long time when I read your sentence!:rofl3:
 
I think some of the problem here lies not with the chap that did this dive, but with those who are reading about it. It's guys like he that push the limits that really set the boundaries of what the rest of us do. So maybe some people here are just a little jealous that this guy had the nutts to do this.


The only limits that have been pushed in this dive relate to safety limits and instructor misconduct.

A 200 foot dive is nothing special. There are any number of people, including my buddies and me, who make 200+ foot dives on a regular basis. I typically have at least 2 sets of doubles filled with 18/45, which is a good mix for that depth. I also have stage bottles with deco gas (EAN50 and O2 in my case, but alternatives exist) filled and waiting. The fundamental differences between what we do and what this guy claims to have done is that we've obtained appropriate training, and have enough gas to execute the dives safely.

A few of my buddies go substantially deeper than 200 on a regular basis. Two of them recently dove a wreck in the 300 foot range, over 100 miles offshore, in the Northern Atlantic. So put away any thoughts that this guy is doing anything special.

The only thing that this guys is doing is placing the divers that he's "escorting" at severe risk by ignoring basic safety issues and violating standards. If I (or any other staff member) were to even hint that I was doing this, my shop would ban me from working with students and report me.
 
It seems that TDS has now pulled the thread....
Last night it was there.
 
I used 2000psi off the first then another 1000psi off the second.....for a total of 3000 psi mas o menos.

This is not normally how this is done, what if you would have used your 2,000 psi then went to your other tank to find you can not access its gas?
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This is not a slam but this is very poor gas management.

Now I am at a rock and a hard place, do I post or do I not post on what is wrong with this picture and how to do it safer.

If I do you may switch and have better gas management, if I dont' post hopefully you'll seek additional training and learn on your own, but I don't think that will happen.
The odds are good that regardless of what is said, he will do it again without seeking more training unless it is made obvious that he needs more training.

For a properly trained diver using independent doubles, the normal approach is to use 1/3rd off the first tank, switch to the second tank, use 1/3rd of it, then turn the dive and remain on the 2nd tank until you have used a total of 2/3rds of it. Then go back to the first tank to use a second 1/3rd from it. This leaves 1/3rd in each tank as a reserve and it ensures that when you turn the dive after using 1/3rd from each tank that you still have 2/3rds in both tanks so that either tank will be enough to get you back to the surface and/or your first deco gas in the event that you lose the contents of either tank.

As a rule, you plan the dive so that if you lose the contents of one tank or your deco gas that you have enough gas in the remaining tank to safely finish the dive. Since you have already "lost" the deco gas you did not even bring, you have to plan the dive to do the ascent and all the deco on 2/3rds of one of your tanks.

This means that you have to take deco into account and will need to turn the dive earlier to ensure that the 2/3rds gas in either tank is enough to get you safely back to the surface not just to the first deco gas.

The other issue here is that you may need 2/3rds in one tank as your buddy may need to use the entire 2/3rds of the other tank - especially if they are on a single tank and suffer catastrophic gas loss. What is less obvious is that each of you have to ensure that you have enough gas to support yourself and the heaviest beathing hoover in your team back to the surface - so the gas planning does not take your SAC/RMV into account but rather the SAC or RMV of the biggest air hog on the team. Ideally, if all the members of the team are properly configured and plan properly, all of you could suffer the loss of the contents of one tank and still surface safely and one of you could suffer multiple failures and lose everything and still surface safely.

In contrast when you have a single tank diver in the water on a deco dive with an inadequate reserve and /or when you are using faulty gas planning where you are not really using a redundant gas configuration, you are only ONE very small failure away from a tragedy. It is literally the diving equivalent of Russian Roulette.

So for the love of God if you are going to keep doing this, recognize there is an awful lot you do not know and do not control, get some deco procedures training, use proper configuration, proper gas planning, proper bottom and deco gasses and then pad it a bit with some rudimentary safety precautions like a deco tank, a stage bottle, a deco tank hung beneath the boat, etc.

To those who think that 200 ft single tank dives on air are ok as it is about nutts and that being willing to risk your nuts is some sort of noble or herioic act (as opposed to just being stupid) - consider that it possibly noble and herioic to risk your own nutts, but nothing ever gives you the right to risk other people's nutts by luring them into a situation where you potentially cannot get them out or by causing them to emulate your example while not truly understanding the risks they are taking. That is just plain socially and morally irresponsible.
 
It seems that TDS has now pulled the thread....
Last night it was there.

TDS seems to have pulled all of his threads since enough complained that not only were they not tech related but downright dangerous and stupid.
 
I think this thread should be pulled here too. This thread is doing nobody any good.

I respectfully disagree. This thread is useful to the extent that it points out the rank stupidity associated with escorting unqualified divers using inadequate equipment on deep dives in which the alleged instructor also lacks traning, experience and judgment.

There are good points in this thread that may keep someone out a memorial thread.
 
Again, you're all just speculating facts. No one here really knows what went down that day. I will say this. Whatever we did that day was between us. How deep we went is really none of your concern. I have dove with ALOT of folks from this board and nobody has ever felt that I "lead" them into a deeper water or a dangerrous situation. And BTW, I totally discouraged them (my fellow divers that day of the hammerhead) from doing the dive below 150ft. I was not the one jumping around waving my hands say" Oh, Oh, let's go there!" It just wasn't the case. And some of you continue to harp on me. So do what you have to do to sleep good at night. I know I just woke up from 9 hours of great sleep, so none if your rants are bothering me. Also, for the record, I did sign up yesterday for the IANTD Deep Diver course. I'll keep everyone informed how's it going. :wink:
 
Just looked at his site again and he is really full of it. On another thread he claimed to have been diving nitrox for 25 yrs. Yet he states his age at 36. On another he claims to have been diving for 20 years. So let's see he got nitrox certed at 11 before he started diving. He's taking people beyond rec depths with single tanks, it really adds up to a professional. Got a nice long letter to PADI started.
 

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