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hannesv

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I have two daughters that is twelve and thirteen years of age and are now starting to dive. I am a little concerned about the regulators to be used with their denture still growing. If there is anyone with some advice, please.
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I moved this thread to the Dive Medicine forum to make sure the Dr.s would see it. They don't always have time to cruise the whole board and it might have gotten missed.

Oh Tooth Doc....here's one for ya!
 
I have two daughters, 14 and 12, both in braces right now. One is recently certified, and the other will be by the end of the summer.

For less than an hour at a time, twice a month tops that we've been going out, I don't forsee it being a problem. And believe me, for what I'm paying for the both of them to have perfect teeth there's no way I would doing anything that could screw it up. :)

The older one did complain that the braces dug into her cheek after the weekend of our five OW certification dives, but we haven't dove that much all at once since then, and she hasn't complained again about it.

I did look briefly at the SeaCURE mouthpieces and would consider installing one if the braces continued to be a problem. They're moldable to the mouth and appear to offer more protection for the braces.
 
First off, I think it's wonderful that you and your daughters have found an activity to do together.

I personally, have run into the same problem...braces. growing tooth arches and getting certified.

Unfortunately, as fast as you install a new mouthpiece, they seem to have out grown it. I initially tried the "boil and bite" Secure® mouthpieces. It seems that no matter how fast I boiled them, their teeth changed position. The complaints from the arch wires continued. There was the additional possibility, that the boiled mouthpiece would "lock" onto the arch wires.

The US Divers Comfobite® mouthpiece seemed to work better. It has a plastic piece that crosses the roof of the mouth and is held in by "magic" The size of the arches don't matter and the wires don't get into the way.

My son was ready to dive at age 12 and my daugher will never be ready--she's claustraphoblic and is the last person I would want down there diving when some "thingy" swims past her. Her panic was immediate and profound.

A couple of suggestions though. First, MAKE SURE YOUR CHILD, NO MATTER HOW MUCH OF A DIVE GENIOUS, IS ACTUALLY READY TO DIVE. They, not you, have to want to dive and put up with the discomfort of suiting up and allowing their tender mouths to be subjected to the regulator and the discomfort it may generate from the friction rubs that may come form the arch wires. The good news is that the braces will one day be gone.

Much of what they go through is based on their personal maturity to tolerate the training process. To help them, you can purchase silicone EAR putty to coat the ortho wires and make things a little more comfortable for them. Soft wax works but it tends to come of during the dive. This silicone putty may be found at...gun stores... it is used as mouldable earplugs for trips to the gun range. I have found it at well stocked drug stores. DO NOT USE SILICONE ADHESIVE FROM THE HOME IMPROVEMENT STORE. IT IS TOXIC.

Another matter is the remote possibililty of avascular necrosis of some of the bone joints--especially the hips. Keep the dives shallow. Check our Scubadoc's site Scuba-doc@scubadoc.com I believe he has some insights into certification of younger divers. Your youngsters will enjoy themselves in 30 ft (10 meters) of water. The light brings out the colors beautifully. Don't torture them with seasickness. If they don't feel good, it's time to go home. Make this a fun adventure. As they get older, they can go deeper.

NEVER TAKE YOUR EYES OFF OF THEM. They will be so engrossed in their new world, that checking their guages is the last thing on their minds as is the welfare of their "buddies". For that matter, do not pair them into their own buddies. YOU are their mutual buddy and watch them like a hawk.

If your child doesn't want to continue with diving, don't take it personally, or push them till they rebel.

If they abrade their lips, a low cost, high tech trick is to buy a diode laser pointer with a wavelength of about 640 nm--red light. It's about $20 dollars and as little as $10. A thirty second exposure to the injured skin will substantially reduce the pain and might avoid the mouth ulcers that can follow. If trauma is continuous, though, don't expect that shining red light on the sore will clear it up. As fast as you are making things better, they are re-injuring the area again. These pointers can be picked up at Best Buy, Office Depot, or, if you want to spend more money, The Sharper Image. All these devices output less than 5 milliwatts and will not cause cancer. PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT THESE ARE PRESENTATION DEVICES--THEY HAVE NOT RECEIVED AN FDA APPROVAL FOR A MEDICAL DEVICE--WHAT FOOL IS GOING TO JUMP THROUGH THE FDA HOOPS TO CERTIFY A $20 LASER POINTER. I simply know from years of use that they work most of the time. Get a pointer that generates a spot--not a cat, dog, car or star. Expose the affected area for approximately 30 seconds FOR ALL PARTS OF THE WOUND--in other words, it might take 1-2 minutes to expose a large area. Another important point is that while a little light is good, repeated exposures actually reduce its effectiveness.

This device also is a godsend for viral fever blisters--especially, if they are used BEFORE there is any skin lesion. As soon as the patient relates to you that they feel like they are getting a fever blister, irradiate the area--overlap onto healty tissue. Remember, this is a virus and if little blisters are already present, they are HIGHLY CONTAGIOUS. Event at this stage, though, relief in the form of a shortened clinical course and rapid drying out may occur. If you wait for the scab, you're too late.

Finally, as you are aware, there is some controversay about training divers at younger ages because of their maturity. That should be a parent's ultimate decision. Just because PADI says it's possible may not make it so. So, be careful.

Hannesv, I find it refreshing to see your use of "denture" in describing a normal dentition. It is a proper term but most people associate it with full dentures. It actually, describes the dental apparatus present in anyone's mouth at any given time. It must be the South African in you. It actually has nothing to do with the teeth being removable or artificial.

I would make one suggestion which can be reinforced by the staff at your local dive. Different regs have different weights, breathing ease and ergonomics. Even the different brands can effect size of the mouthpiece. Make sure YOU'RE satisfied. Since your children are using these regulators, try to standardize their gear so it is easily swapped.

I hope I have helped. If you have more questions, please feel free to contact me. I will be gone the latter part of next week visitiing my daughter (who can't dive) at college--GO GATORS!! We are bringing up the Stein Moving Service. If you can't reach me through the board, try my AOL handle. in my personal information. It is my pleasure.

Regards, and good luck.

Laurence Stein DDS

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hannesv,

Did the Doc's info help ya out there? Is that what you were looking for?

Having those in various medical professions frequent our forums is a major blessing and I hope we can always let them know how appreciated their input is to us. For many of the Doc's this isnt just a way for them to spend all of that free time that they always have too much of, hehe, but rather it is as much for tham a learning process as it is for us.

Doctor Deco once said something for me that I had just never thought of but makes great sense. NASA cant just go around "Bending" the snot out of people or "Narc'ing" them out of their skulls just so they can sit around and go "Hmmm, interesting, I wonder why his eye balls popped out like that"...

It would be sorta unethical to go around pushing Humpty Dumpty off of the wall all the time just so All the kings horses and all the kings men could get some test data to ponder over. Our questions AND our feedback is both welcomed and desired. Believe it or not our questions and feedback and actually possibly lead to more questions and feedback and so on and so forth until pretty soon new discoveries and solutions are formed that we all as Divers and as members of the human race can benefit from.

We all can feel pretty insignificant at times, I mean, we are just ONE out of a few BILLION on this planet, and not everyone is a diver, so data is to say the least, somewhat limited. Im sure the last thing that they want is to think their sometimes long winded or detailed answers are going un-noticed.

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