Greek Islands are NOT a bad Diving destination

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We live in Canada, but have also lived in Germany, Switzerland and Italy and would like to go to Greece, especiallyu to the islands, and also to do some diving there. Me fear is that it may be too hot to do much of anything or too cold to dive at the time our 14 year old daughter is free to go (July and August and the last two weeks in december.

erichK
saskatoon, canada
 
The problem with greece is it depends WHERE you want to dive. Diving has only fairly recently been allowed and there are still some islands and areas where its frowned upon.
In the middle are those which do allow diving but with restrictions such as no night dives, no wreck dives, no underwater ruins etc. In these cases some diving may be possible after additional payment for a government permit, sometimes not.

Certainly Zakynthos lacked much in the way of big sea life, wrecks were out, nights were out (without a E30 permit and some luck) and the underwater ruins in the area most definately out.
Im led to believe that Keffalonia follows similar rules.
As a side note we had the coast guard cutter twice ensure we were diving where we were authorised and said we'd be during the 10 dives i managed over there.

There was talk about relaxing of the rules to allow wrecks under 100 years old to be dived but i have no idea if that has now been passed or not.

Greece is a lovely place, lovely weather, warm water, lovely people and plenty of surface attractions but if you want to go diving its probably wise to do some research as to what is and isnt allowed on your preferred destination island.
 
String:
Certainly Zakynthos lacked much in the way ....

Hi String,

In my opinion, Zankynthos is not one of the BEST places to visit in Greece. Actually have been to most of the Ionian Island and (this is my very personal opinion) that the only ones that I can think worth visiting are 2 islands called Paxos and Antipaxos, and probably Ithaki. All the rest are just tourist traps. I prefer the Aegean my self. Is a little bit windy (cooler) and dryer (not humid) atmoshere but not as green as the Ionian.
In any case Greece now being a full memeber of the EEC has relaxed many laws that are related to leuisure including diving. For example you were not allowed to dive in Santorini but now you are. And there are many other areas that diving is allowed. I am in the process of getting the updated list of permited diving areas and if any one is interested will post it.

Merry Christmas
 
erichK:
would like to go to Greece, especially to the islands, and also to do some diving there. Me fear is that it may be too hot to do much of anything or too cold to dive at the time our 14 year old daughter is free to go (July and August and the last two weeks in december.

Hi Erick,

If you itend to visit Greece in August it will be hot. Temperatures can be near 40deg C and some times over that.
Begining of July I think is the perfect time to visit the place. Not very hot (30-35 deg C) and try to visit the Aegean side rather than the Ionian side of Greece (East side rather than West). If you have any places in mind where you want to go please let us know and will give you some advise (if I can).

Merry Christmas
 
ManosK:
. And there are many other areas that diving is allowed. I am in the process of getting the updated list of permited diving areas and if any one is interested will post it.

Merry Christmas


Id certainly be interested in the list. Also clarification on the night and wreck laws in areas would be nice - ive had a little search around online but cant find any official information and standpoints.

I love greece and WILL be back there so anything i can find out about diving is good.

As for Zakynthos, it certainly wasnt touristy (neither is keffalonia as they strictly limit numbers). Of course there are a few places which are tourist traps on both places, Laganas and Argassi on Zante spring to mind.
Great scenery, lovely clear waters and the type of weather i love, hot and dry (im in the UK, i hate cold, i hate rain!).
 
Hi String

I think that the diving laws changed in 2002-2003. I have specifically asked the The Hellenic Federation of Underwater Activities to give me the list with long and lat rather than the areas.
However, there is a Greek site (all in English for a change) that they have some info but it hasn't been updated for 2 years now since islands like Santorini, Ios, Paros, Naxos and many islands in the Aegean Sea where the diving is permitted are not mentioned.


DIVING AREAS IN GREECE - NOT UPDATED

I like the Aegean better than the Ionian (personal thing) :)

By the way perimted areas to dive in Santorini are:

Thirasia island, south of cape Riva.
Thirasia island, south from both sides of cape Trypiti
Thirasia island, 2 km south of cape Kimino
East of Nea Kameni islet
Thira island, Oia, southeast of Armoudi bay
Thira island, Kamari area
Thira island, Perissa area
 
Just checked that site and its a little vague on information unfortunately. I have the chance to go to Zakynthos again in August but reluctant to if the diving is <30m, no wreck again.

Regulations Concerning the Underwater Activities

Underwater activities with breathing apparatuses are allowed from dawn to sunset.
The use of special equipment for the search and localization of antiquities as well as the existence of such equipment on the boats (yachts, sailing boats etc) is strictly forbidden.
The lifting or removal or photographing of antiquities is forbidden. Any discovery of antiquities should be immediately reported to the local Archaeological Service or Port Authority or Police Authority.
The underwater fishing with breathing apparatuses is forbidden.
The establishing and function of diving schools are subjected to special licenses issued by the Ministry of Culture as well as by other Authorities.
No scientific or professional work at the bottom of the sea is to be carried out without the previous consent of the Ministry of Culture or the competent Authorities.
All divers should conform to the above restrictions and respect the provisions of the Law 5351/32 on antiquities.

The first line alone says no night dives allowed. The wreck situation depends on i guess what they class as antiquities. The site is vague.

Further down it then goes on to where you are permitted to dive "with an oxygen tank" which probably shows how informed it is....

I really would like to know if wrecks < 100 years have been legalised and so on before deciding but no real luck in finding out - the net has very little info.
 
Hi String,

You are correct that there is not much info availiable about diving in Greece and many dive operations keep it for them selves. On the other hand these so called 'rules' have been made by people who do not know that much (if any at all) about diving - This is Greek thing UNFORTUNATELY!!
Any way I have asked a friend of mine in Greece to get some info and as soon as I have it will post it.
Re Zakynthos have never been there but from what I have heard from a few Greek friends who been there not very long ago, this is NOT A VERY NICE PLACE to go for a holiday!
However, this is not my opinion but I trust them and will not go to see for my self. Any way you mad have had different experiences in Zankyntos than they did.
 
There has been diving allowed on Santorini for several years and Alex Sotiriou has Volcano Divers, one of the two. It looks like the diving was so good on Santorini, that one of the two operators sold his operation. These are mainly tourist operations using zodiacs to get them in and out of nearby sites quickly, and although I know Sotiriou's people are excellent, the dive sites aren't up to the standards desired by most experienced international divers.

http://www.scubagreece.com/index.php4 (Alex Sotiriou)
http://www.diveclub.gr/ (looks like Chris Pozides sold it recently)

Yes, I am one of those who suggested that people who associate all the other great things in Greece (ruins, beautiful islands, friendly people, etc) to diving in Greece might be disappointed, and I don't like to build up people's expectations. Better to downplay and then they are happier. Because the lack of fauna and flora which has gone down due to the illegal spearfishing, not to mention the dynamite fishing in remote areas (you MUST have a lookout!)

Also I told people to be careful because the rules were changing at the time I was there. I based my opinion on talking to the Ministry and also diving several times with local divers who knew the best places, in Attica, Milos and Crete during the Winter and Spring of 2001-2002. But I have not dived all of Greece, after all, we have many hundreds of kilometers of coastline. I'd LIKE to, but first checking all the laws and logistics required.

I would not be surprised that they have opened up the diving now (money talks and tourism has been down), and certainly if you can FIND a licensed operator nearby, you are in luck. Otherwise you must go with a private group or club. I would thoroughly check out the laws before jumping in a boat to go to a site with someone lacking liability, etc.

I love my country and think Greece's special offering to international diving might be the WWII wrecks that are strewn around the islands, which have historical value. For example, there are at least half a dozen such wrecks in the harbour of Milos not to mention Souda Bay in Crete. Unfortunately, the Port Authority will pick you up if you try to go out to them. And it is very dangerous to go in a zodiac with no backup or hyperbaric chamber, etc, etc.

As was said, the port authorities have been told that divers want to steal antiquities, but those attitudes are changing as the old guard retires. When I was in Greece, all you had to do was preregister your dive trip and C-cards.

But, the new diving areas have to support a profit. The fellow at the Ministry of Merchant Marine Office, stated in an article, that maybe one hundred dive operators would be opened in Greece, now that the rules were changing. Surely, only a non-businessperson, non-diver could make such a comment.

If Manos can find me a dive site which is easily accessible to tourists, and close to Athens for safety and convenience (like Hydra but that island has been taken) has diveable wrecks OF IMPORTANCE (not those little scrap heaps) that are now LEGAL to dive, I will return to Greece and set up my dive center. Please note, don't go this summer because the Olympic Games make getting reservations in Greece and getting around there, very difficult.

On a brighter note, if you go to Greece, you might keep going and check out Cyprus. They have what looks to be a very active dive scene, and it is home to a very diveable wreck, The Zenobia, which is probably worth the trip.
 
Hi crispos

If Manos can find me a dive site which is easily accessible to tourists, and close to Athens for safety and convenience
ETry Cape Sounion North of Makronisos Island the wreck dive - legal dive starts at 10 mtrs to 25/30 mtrs.

Further, coldn't agree more with your comments. However, things are changing (I was told as I live in the UK most of the time). At present I am negotiating with one dive operator (the better wellknown) in Santorini to escort divers on my RIBs to the dive sites.
As you said Greece is not the best place to dive but is different and is quite nice.

KALH XRONIA!!
 
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