Got My DM - But I Don't Want to Dive "This Way"...

[ClayJar]

I thought this thread had died a natural death[...]

Ah, but remember Monroe's Corollary to the 117th Rule of ScubaBoard ("No thread has ever died of natural causes."):

"Hibernation is finite unless waking is ignored."​

Of course, there's also Harold's Rule of Recorded History:

"Always whine in the chat. It can only scroll back so far."​

(Best of luck with the thread euthanasia. :biggrin

 

[Boxcar Overkill]

Because that gear configuration, whatever it may be, is chosen based on what is best for the divers, rather than what will help somebody on land make more money?

 

[caseybird]

When the gear that the "team leader" (e.g., LDS owner, in this case A.K.A. "Head Stroke") is Stroke gear that is selected on the basis of the "Head Stroke's" profit and loss statement rather than the teams' safety and efficiency.

Name calling is beneath you, Thal. No one's safety is compromised by a jacket BC in the basic open water cert.
Let's stick to discussion please.
Steve

 

[bfw]

My DM career may be a very short one! (However, I've already been asked to work with another instructor/another shop -- she just happens to be a cave diver.)

So go work with the other instructor. Unless you do an IDC, you're always going to be under someone else, and if it's their course, you do it their way. You've learned a better way, and he wants you to go back, but he's the employer and you're the employee. Capitalism 101 - if you don't like your working conditions, find a job where they're better.

 

[bfw]

No one's safety is compromised by a jacket BC in the basic open water cert.

Not immediately or directly, but when you accept two pieces of equipment with widely disparate design philosophies cannot be equally effective, using the inferior one (which ever one you happen to believe that is) does constitute an incremental detriment to the long term safety of the student and those with whom he/she will dive in the future. It may be a very small detriment, possibly below the threshhold of actuarial measurement, but it does exist.

 

[Cacia]

Capitalism 101 - if you don't like your working conditions, find a job where they're better.

Or, if you are real free market capitalist: ... he could convince them that the probablity of finding a

better divemaster, in any gear, would be improbable, lol. (and that it is in their fiscal best interest to let him do whatever he likes due to his winning personality, superior judgement, and propensity for upscale social networking.

...the good ol chutzpah approach.

 

[Thalassamania]

Name calling is beneath you, Thal. No one's safety is compromised by a jacket BC in the basic open water cert.
Let's stick to discussion please.
Steve

I'm not name calling, I use jacket BCs all the time and love them, a jacket BC may sell be the best selection for a given team. Please don't confuse me with some fool-aid swiller.

The issue at hand is the ethical stance of putting the marketing plan ahead of the instructors' best judgment and the students' best interest.

That to me is the ultimate strokery. Ever been stroked by a snakeoil salesman? Like how it feels?

 

[BarryNL]

I still wish LDS's would fix this issue simply by carrying a couple of BP/W systems in their stock. Maybe some LDS owners would like to chime in and explain why they don't do this.

I would have thought the "one-size-fits-all" nature of BP/W would have made it an excellent item to stock. No need to stock six or seven different sizes of the same item!

 

[Thalassamania]

I still wish LDS's would fix this issue simply by carrying a couple of BP/W systems in their stock. Maybe some LDS owners would like to chime in and explain why they don't do this.

I would have thought the "one-size-fits-all" nature of BP/W would have made it an excellent item to stock. No need to stock six or seven different sizes of the same item!

I believe it's something like this:

The price paid by an LDS in a function of how much gear they contract to purchase from a given manufacturer in a year. They go to DEMA and commit to taking delivery of such-and-such an amount of gear and the price per piece drops as the size of that commitment rises. A BP/w (at least to date) has not been marketed through any of the "majors" and thus when you sell a BP/w, you make money on that sale, but you do nothing to fulfill your buying commitment to your primary lines.

 

[Rhone Man]

At the risk of returning to the issue in the OP, I can see some force in the argument in asking the DM not to wear Tec set-up on training dives. If you are going to demonstrate regulator recovery, it is pretty hard to do that wearing a rebreather (for example). I don't know about "confusing" them, but it has to presumably help new students if they see experienced divers supervising them using equipment similar to their own in a proper fashion.

But on the snorkels thing, I can't remember the last time I saw an instructor wearning a snorkel in this part of the world. But I think if the instructor is teaching the class, it is kind of their call.