Getting the most out of OW class

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How do I find such a course and how will I know I've found it?


Interview potential instructors. Most people never ask any questions beyond price. As the old saying goes, "You get what you pay for." Excellent instructors will usually have a higher priced class for a number of reasons. The instructor is dedicated toward providing you all the time you need to master necessary knowledge and skills. Extra pool time can be expensive. Keep in mind; the instructor is trying to make a living. His time is valuable.

Consider alternatives. While many instructors teach through dive shops, some of the best are independent instructors or affiliated with colleges, universities or YMCA's.

How long have you been teaching? Most instructors improve over time. They learn new techniques and get ideas from other instructors and through experience to improve their classes.

Do you certify all your students? Only instructors who are in a hurry and care nothing about your safety will answer yes. You want an instructor who will require you to be safe and knowledgeable before issuing a c-card. An excellent instructor might tell you that he is willing to keep working with a student until the student either qualifies or gives up.

What skin diving skills will I learn? While there is some disagreement on this point, many professionals believe a solid foundation in skin diving will not only make you a better SCUBA diver, it will make learning SCUBA easier.

Will I learn confidence-building skills? There are some skills which have no direct application to a typical dive, but which do build your confidence as well as your abilities. This, combined with an understanding of the panic cycle, will make you much less likely to panic.

Do you teach the panic cycle? Panic is the most dangerous aspect of diving. Many instructors do not understand panic and believe there is no way to combat it. In actuality, panic is understood. It is though learning the panic cycle and by increasing skill levels that panic is avoided.

Do your students swim with their hands? This will let you know if the instructor pays attention to details. Good divers do not use their hands for swimming.

Do you work on trim? Divers should be horizontal in the water. Good instructors will see that students are striving towards good trim. Poor instructors often neglect it.

Do you overweight your students? Many instructors overweight students. It is not a good practice.

What method do you use to correctly weight your students? Any answer that does not involve actually getting in the water means you want to avoid that instructor.

Is the instructor patient? While talking with your potential instructor, you should be getting a feel for his personality. Patience is an important quality for an instructor. You want to avoid instructors with a drill sergeant demeanor.

Would I be happier learning from a man or a woman? Only you can answer that question, but in general it is not usually a serious consideration. There are excellent instructors and there are poor instructors. Men and women fall into both groups.

How many people will be in my class? Small classes are better. You'll have more individual attention. Unless the instructor is using assistants, more than four students are difficult to watch.

How many certified assistants will you be using? Unless the class is relatively large (more than 4 students) this should not be an issue. An instructor should have a certified Divemaster or Assistant Instructor for every two students over four. There are times when divers working on their Divemaster or Assistant Instructor certifications assist with a class. This is normal and not an issue, but they do not count toward the assistants an instructor should have when working with larger classes.

Will I be learning skills kneeling on the pool bottom or mid-water? This question is not critical, but will let you know if you've found an instructor who has a great deal on the ball. The over whelming majority of instructors (even good instructors) teach skills kneeling on the bottom. Don't eliminate instructors who do. Some instructors have realized your mask will flood while you are swimming, not when you are sitting on the bottom. You need to learn skills in the manner in which you'll be using them.
 
Bibendum:
I have already settled on a LDS to certify through and we will be doing 4 dives. I checked many stores throughout my area and all did 4 dives (no matter what agency they certified in). There was one store that did 7 or 8 dives, but I had never heard of the agency whose materials they taught, although I did know who they certifed through. I asked some other friends who are certified and they didn't recognize the training materials either. So although they did many dives, the training materials seemed to be a red flag so we picked another option.

As a student I want to be as proactive as possible in order to learn as much as possible. So, now that I am signed up for the classes, I figured this board would be a good place to get suggestions on how to achieve that. Thanks.

Oh well.

Plan B, then, would be to sign up for Advanced Open Water right after you finish your Basic Open Water. That would give you another 4 to 8 dives, and more emphasis on navigation as well.

With only 4 ocean dives from the basic class, you are caught in their trap. It almost forces you to take (and pay for) a follow-up class in order to get more diving in, so that you get the adequate training that you really need.
 
If you find a shop that can answer all those questions and have control of them, let us all know.

The overweighting thing is Important. If I didnt have strong legs, I may have drowned in OW class. This is a good question and I'm bewildered after 5 years why they overweighted me so bad during my BC disconnection drill.
 
If you find a shop that can answer all those questions and have control of them, let us all know.

Think outside the box. Dive shops are rarely the best place to take classes. Look at colleges & universities, YMCAs and independent instructors.

I'm bewildered after 5 years why they overweighted me so bad during my BC disconnection drill.

It's easier on the instructor not to spend the time (classes also move faster) weighting you properly. Economics, not quality, drives most classes.
 
Walter:
Think outside the box. Dive shops are rarely the best place to take classes. Look at colleges & universities, YMCAs and independent instructors...

Exactly! Try again, try the YMCAs.

College classes may be out of the question however, since those classes fill up fast, and undergrad seniors have priority.
 
Having just completed my cert monday, I was very happy going though my LDS. The instructor clearly did this out of enjoying scuba, and the LDS staff were good about helping select equipment (I'm another person who wanted to dive all my life, just didn't make the time until now; I waited until the fifth class, then sought advice on equipment -- they didn't up-sell me, but recommended solid mid-range items, and discounted heavily [beat the Web on many things]).
A good instructor, generally motivated class, made life good. I wanted to complete my OW, move forward, so I went right into drysuit, ended up doing OW/drysuit cert together -- the instructor did 1-on-1 dives, multiple trips. I ended up with 2 rounds of pool drysuit time (shop then my own suit), five open water dives, including 30 and 50 minute ones the last day when everything really came together. The instructor said I would pass (it was clear I didn't have any fundamental problems), when I was ready, and literally asked after the last dive if I felt totally comfortable (in other words, I could demonstrate the skills externally, but he cared about my confidence, not just signing the card). He's already set me up for local discovery diving next weekend with another one of his ex-students, so I can get practice with a skilled buddy.
At least for me, AOW will pretty certainly happen, but not until summer -- I want to rack up a decent number of simple dives early on, with experienced buddies, before sampling new things.
Good luck -- if you like it, you'll be hooked quickly :)
 
Walter, I like your list. I think that you've posted it before, and it's very helpful. Perhaps a Scubaboard article? In addition you your list, I would add as questions:
1. How much water time will I get? The more in water time to practice and refine your skills, the better it will be.

2. How do you improve your teaching? You want an instructor who is constantly thinking of how to make teaching better. Every new OW diver is different, and no instructor can have seen it all and handled every situation.

When I was looking for a dry suit instructor, I pretty much asked the same questions Walter posted.

Bibendum, as for getting the most of your training. I agree with others that Scubaboard and Dive Training are good resources. And asking questions for clarification is good too. Here are my additions:
1. Be very familiar with the gear. Practice grabbing things, and knowing where items are.

2. Visualize the task at hand. When others are practicing their skills, and you're waiting your turn, visualize what you're supposed to do. Even before jumping in the water, you can practice the skills on land.

3. Pay attention to your fellow students. Cause there can be some good insight on what to do and what not to do.

4. Take things slow. It is not the race. The slower you are, the more you'll be able to feel all the forces acting on you. Be calm. Think zen.

5. Don't use your hands. When you're practicing your buoyancy or swimming around, clasps your hands. If you need your hands to keep you from sinking, then you're buoyancy is not set.

6. Check buoyancy often. When you're swimming, stop kicking/moving and see what happens. You shouldn't sink or float up. It's easy to stay at a level depth when you're in motion, but the true test is to see what happens when you stop moving.

7. It takes a few seconds for bouyancy changes to take affect. When you use the power inflator or deflate, your bouyancy won't change immediately. Add/dump are in a short burst and then wait. See what happens. If it's not enough, then add/dump more (again in a short burst). Often times, people don't see immediate affect, think that something is wrong, and add/dump too much as the result.

8. And if for some reason, you have to call a dive. Just call it. You can always dive again another day.

9. Lastly, have fun!
 
How about:
Don't fiddle with your equipment. Keep an eye on your SPG, but otherwise don't play with your buoyancy continuously (when you're level), twiddle with your dive computer, etc.
Bite that reg in open water. In the pool I could get away with actually whistling -- quite shallow. Once at 20 - 30 fsw, I had to learn to really keep my mouth shut, so water wouldn't squirt in :)
If something doesn't quite work for you, physically, speak up and work with your instructor. Due to my gear setup, and left hand control, I needed to rotate my BCD inflator 90 degrees on the fitting -- made a world of difference, especially with gloves.
 
Most importantly, just relax and have a good time. I see alot of students that stress out over not being able to control their bouyancy perfectly in the pool and other stuff like that. Having a C-card will not make you a good diver, diving will.

I agree with the previous statements about taking the class through a college. Not only will you save hundreds, actually thousands if you take everything up to DM, but you do not get rushed in the class at all. The school is not out to make "much" money from you.

Open water average shop price $250
My school's price $60
Advanced open water shop price $250
My school's price $60
Rescue diver shop price $250 +$100 for emergency first response
My school's price for Rescue, emergency first response and divemaster (all combined) $60

As you can see, it quickly adds up and you can save tons of money. My instructor will even do Nitrox for you for free if you go on the school trip with him.

Of course, your mileage may vary.
 
Walter:
What skin diving skills will I learn? While there is some disagreement on this point, many professionals believe a solid foundation in skin diving will not only make you a better SCUBA diver, it will make learning SCUBA easier.

I like the ready-made question list, except for the particular one I quoted. Not that it's a bad question, I just think it should be re-worded. Alot of old-fashioned folks I know refer to scuba diving as skin diving, and I know it as snorkeling. Basically diving just using a mask and fins with an optional snorkle. I think maybe adding (snorkeling) in parenthesis to the question would add a little clarity. Just my opinion.

PS: What does DSSW stand for?
 

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