Getting narced

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Garrobo

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I recently wanted to know if I was getting narced at rec diving depths. So I dove the Speigle Grove with a DM to check it out. He gave me two combination locks with different combinations to open, a slate and pencil to write a limerik all which he said to me before diving. We went down to the sand and after waiting about five minutes I opened both locks and wrote down the limerik with no apparent trouble. Since I've dove to 110 or 120 feet about a dozen time in the last year I'm wondering if the more you dive to these depths does your body sort of get used to it and wards off getting narced? Or is it going to take a deeper depth for me to notice anything strange?:dork2::dork2:
 
Narcosis affects the same person in a different way, at different depths and to differing degrees on each dive. Its not a simple thing.

Plus a lot of those tests are flawed as nearly all motor skills like that improve far more with practice in the first few times than any other thing so things like opening a lock on the surface means by the time you do the same thing underwater you'd have had that important first practice so be faster and so on.

Conditions also play a role - warm clear water like florida has is a lot different narc'd to dark, imposing 3ft vis somewhere else at the same depth. Also exertion (CO2) can make it worse.

You dont get tolerant to narcosis. Yes you can develop strategies for coping with the known problems such as more muscle memory, far more rigid checks of gauges and so on but you cant get used to it like alcohol.
 
You may never narc out---even @ 200......This is not a predictable thing, btw I have never narc'ed, been to 175 and over 100 MANY times.....Saying that, I may narc the next 20 times over 100, who knows..
 
Oh and id also add anyone who claims they have never been narced is either lying or just hasn't realised. Its a gradual degradation of mental processes and often invisible to the person suffering.
 
Narcosis affects the same person in a different way, at different depths and to differing degrees on each dive. Its not a simple thing.

Plus a lot of those tests are flawed as nearly all motor skills like that improve far more with practice in the first few times than any other thing so things like opening a lock on the surface means by the time you do the same thing underwater you'd have had that important first practice so be faster and so on.

Conditions also play a role - warm clear water like florida has is a lot different narc'd to dark, imposing 3ft vis somewhere else at the same depth. Also exertion (CO2) can make it worse.

You dont get tolerant to narcosis. Yes you can develop strategies for coping with the known problems such as more muscle memory, far more rigid checks of gauges and so on but you cant get used to it like alcohol.


I would have to agree, it’s my understanding your present condition of your body plays a big role as well. Dehydration, lack of sleep, drinking alcohol the night before a dive, etc can make you acceptable to narcosis. I agree our bodies are all different and deal with diving differently, but I don’t think anyone could be immune to narcosis. I have dove deepest to 110 for my advanced certy. I did a few math questions which did take me longer at that depth than at the surface. I didn't feel any effects of narcosis, doesn’t mean I wasn’t. I don’t think I have been to date. I do believe it will happen to me some day. I don't believe it is something you can warn off from possibly happening. especially by diving more, to me it would seem the more you dive the greater your chances of getting narcosiss, unless you stay in shallow water.
 
I would have to agree, it’s my understanding your present condition of your body plays a big role as well. Dehydration, lack of sleep, drinking alcohol the night before a dive, etc can make you acceptable to narcosis.

Certainly with me most of my sea dives are after 2-3 hours sleep the night before and that does make a difference. Dehydration is also quite common for me due to the "toilet in a drysuit" issue and i do notice a difference on those rare days i get sleep before a sea dive.

With me ive been (noticeable to myself) narced before now at 25m (82ft) on a particularly bad day. Usually though i get the bells/buzz almost exactly at 32m (105ft) depth which is my sign to start paying a lot more attention to whats doing on.
I've been completely out of it at 35m but at the same site on a different day been relatively ok at 56m(184ft).

The main thing with narcosis isn't how quickly you can write your name backwards but in critical thinking under pressure. You may feel perfectly OK only for it come bite you when something usually simple such as a flooded mask causes big issues to fix with coordination gone and so on which you hadn't noticed until it happened.
Narcosis is generally fine while things are working - it really manifests when a little pressure is applied mentally, anxiety is amplified and so on.

Some examples i can recall from myself. Scenario 1. A wreck dive on a submarine in about 36m(118ft). Going down the line should have seen the wreck at 28m, seabed at 36m. We got to 36m. Common sense would dictate id have worked out the line was no longer on the wreck and we'd missed it. My narced mind was still doing all the normal dive things like checking depth, time, gas, buddy and so on BUT for some reason i thought i was on the wreck. I was thinking "its huge". In reality i was just on mud. So well rehearsed motor tasks were working fine but common sense thinking had gone.
After a few minutes i twigged we weren't on the wreck. Again logic dictates to go back to the line following the scrape marks in the sand and do a circular search as it wasnt more than 20ft off the wreck. My confused mind couldn't grasp that obvious concept and instead wandered aimlessly for another 15 mins before aborting.

It was only on the deco stop reviewing the what went wrong that the obvious following scrape marks, circular search and not realising id missed the wreck became obvious to me - once my head had cleared. At 6m (20ft) it was all so clear what had happened and what i should have done. At 36m it wasnt.

To me at least it showed what narcosis can do - some tasks carry on as normal but other things just dont compute any more.
 
Oh and id also add anyone who claims they have never been narced is either lying or just hasn't realised. Its a gradual degradation of mental processes and often invisible to the person suffering.


Curious here, describe exactly what your narc conditions were......(pretty broad statement there).......oops, didn't get to your next post---man,. you've got problems, IMO, ......
 
Oh and id also add anyone who claims they have never been narced is either lying or just hasn't realised. Its a gradual degradation of mental processes and often invisible to the person suffering.

Plus, the main danger is that it hampers the higher brain processes and severely limits one's ability to cope with multiple tasks. It doesn't surprise me that someone can do simple arithmetic or open a lock or write a poem at 120 feet on air... if that's all they're being asked to do.

The real question is: what happens when one of their buddies loses a mask and the other goes out of air during this poetry session. :P
 
You may never narc out---even @ 200......This is not a predictable thing, btw I have never narc'ed, been to 175 and over 100 MANY times.....Saying that, I may narc the next 20 times over 100, who knows..

You're probably that guy that says, "I'm not drunk, give me my keys." Got news for you, it happens to everyone at depth. Much like alcohol, each person (mind & body) responds differently to it. Some may start to take their clothes and get wild, others may quiet and lazy. Either way your reaction time and judgment is impaired in some way, shape or form.
 
I used to say I was fine to at least 130'. Then I started to take a camera with me and tried to calculate F-stops.

You get used to the Narc and become more effective or learn work arounds just like a drunk can learn to seem sober with a 6-pack or 1/2 pint in them.
 

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