FYI: Hog 32# Wing

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mahjong

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Just received a Hog 32# wing. And just returned it.

By now I know it's unfortunately politically incorrect to critique--even honestly and sincerely--products on this forum, but then I have never been the politically correct type.

The Hog 32# wing is a facsimile of a high-end technical wing. The design is great, almost exactly like the OMS 32# wing, but with 3 sets of grommets and a very nice set of tank stabilizing bars perfectly sized and situated (so as not to inhibit the use of an STA, if you wish to use one). The newest version of the OMS 32# wing has no tank stabilizing bars (and only ever had one set of mounting grommets).

But the quality of the materials on the Hog 32# (can't speak for any other Hog wing) is not nearly up to that of the Halcyon or OMS. The Hog 1680 dernier doesn't feel as robust as the outer shell on either the Halcyon or the OMS (both of which I own), and this might perhaps be due to the fact that the Hog shell has absolutely no inside PU coating, whereas the Halcyon and OMS shells both have PU coatings, the Halcyon even thicker than the OMS. As for the inner nylon bladder of the Hog, it barely seems like dernier nylon, and maybe isn't, I don't know. But I do know that it's not as rugged feeling as the inner nylon bladder of the Halcyon (my older OMS 32# wing has a urethane inner bladder--newer OMS 32# wings have a PU coated 200 dernier nylon inner bladder). I do know the Halcyon inner bladder has a generous PU coating, but I don't know about the Hog, because they don't tell you on their website and neither have they responded to two of my emails asking for details. It's my guess that if the inner bladder of the Hog is dernier at all, in which case it would need to be PU coat to be air-tight (if it's some kind of plastic, then perhaps it's already air-tight), then that coating is minimal--this from both the feel and from the fact that they won't tell me.

As for why my Hog is crumpled at the top and bottom when inflated, and also inflates in a twisted unneven manner, your guess is as good as mine. Perhaps the inner bladder is bigger than the outer bladder? Don't know. But I have returned my Hog. The price is great, and I suspect the wing would perform fine, but you get what you pay for.
 
what is dernier?

Denier is a unit not a type of fabric. It's grams/9000m of yarn and it's how we measure fabric weight and thickness in a way. So higher denier is heavier fabric. I haven't seen the 32lb wing, but the Halcyon products are incredibly thick and made out of ballistic type nylon. Either way, nylon is an incredibly strong fiber, and even if the fabric itself is thinner, it will perform just as well. Just may not be quite so puncture resistant...

There has to be some coating on the inside of the bladder otherwise they wouldn't be airtight. Ballistic nylon is a woven fabric and as such as a lot of air spaces between the yarns, without a coating it wouldn't hold air... Not well at least.

My Halcyon Eclipse wing twists when it's not on a backplate, and crumples at the top and bottom when fully inflated. I'm thinking the bladders are made a hair bigger than the shell to prevent over expansion and stressing on the seams of the inner bladder.

As far as the inner bladder not being woven nylon, the older diverite bladders were clear plastic *which very well may be nylon, and being woven has no real airtight advantages, mainly disadvantages but has the advantage of being a hair more puncture resistant. The outer shell should hold up to most normal abuse except for stabbing and why you'd get stabbed or scrape your wing on rocks or the hull of a wreck is beyond me with a single wing.

I'm not saying it's as high quality as the Halcyon or OMS wing, all I'm saying is that there is nothing inherently wrong with the design, and it's $100 cheaper than the oms and a lot less than the Halcyon...
 
I had the same wing and also returned it. Not because of the material (it seemed "good" to me but I had nothing to compare) but because it seemed unnecessarily wide for a single tank wing. It has the same twisting and crumpling that you mention - I even made a post about it a couple weeks ago.

I have since replaced it with a Hollis which has similar crumpling and twisting but much less so. I'm thinking largely in part because it is much more narrow so the twisting is less pronounced.
 
I've had a Hog 32# for nearly two years and probably have made a hundred ocean dives with this rig with no problems at all.

This is my fourth or fifth wing. I have three setups for singles and one for doubles. I have found the Hog to work extremely well and it has been just as dependable as the other name brands that I have.

You thought it lacking for your diving and did the appropriate thing.
 
Actually, as I stated, I found the design of the Hog to be excellent, even better than the OMS 32# wing, whose overall shape is identical to the Hog. The Hog has 3 sets of grommets (OMS has one set), much longer cam band slots than the OMS, and a very nice set of tank stabilizing bars (the new OMS has none). This is why I decided to give the Hog a look. It's only in a comparison of the materials that I found the Hog lacking. The outer shell of the Halcyon and OMS is really robust, and perhaps this is due in part to the heavy PU coatings inside them. The Hog outer shell has no PU coating inside it. Does this mean the Hog won't perform well? No. This should have no impact on performance. The only impact I suspect would be on durability and longevity. How much impact, I don't know for sure? I only know that I put a Halcyon 40# Eclipse (really too much lift for my needs, which is why I'm looking for a smaller wing) through hellish conditions for two years and it held up great, so I feel good about their approach to materials (between dive days I stored it on a Chinese junk in the South China Sea--it never left the dirty, salty boat; it was banged against tanks, dropped on the deck of the boat, brushed up against sea urchins and rocks at depth, superficially rinsed in a barrel of usually brackish water--these were intense all-day spearfishing outings where only bagging fish mattered and no one pampered dive gear, quite the opposite). This experience of course says nothing about how the Hog would have held up--maybe it would have done the same. But I feel better going with a new OMS 32#, which PU coats the nylon of both its outer shell and inner bladder and doesn't cost too much more than the Hog (the Halycon is in a completely different price bracket).

what is dernier?

Denier is a unit not a type of fabric. It's grams/9000m of yarn and it's how we measure fabric weight and thickness in a way. So higher denier is heavier fabric. I haven't seen the 32lb wing, but the Halcyon products are incredibly thick and made out of ballistic type nylon. Either way, nylon is an incredibly strong fiber, and even if the fabric itself is thinner, it will perform just as well. Just may not be quite so puncture resistant...

There has to be some coating on the inside of the bladder otherwise they wouldn't be airtight. Ballistic nylon is a woven fabric and as such as a lot of air spaces between the yarns, without a coating it wouldn't hold air... Not well at least.

My Halcyon Eclipse wing twists when it's not on a backplate, and crumples at the top and bottom when fully inflated. I'm thinking the bladders are made a hair bigger than the shell to prevent over expansion and stressing on the seams of the inner bladder.

As far as the inner bladder not being woven nylon, the older diverite bladders were clear plastic *which very well may be nylon, and being woven has no real airtight advantages, mainly disadvantages but has the advantage of being a hair more puncture resistant. The outer shell should hold up to most normal abuse except for stabbing and why you'd get stabbed or scrape your wing on rocks or the hull of a wreck is beyond me with a single wing.

I'm not saying it's as high quality as the Halcyon or OMS wing, all I'm saying is that there is nothing inherently wrong with the design, and it's $100 cheaper than the oms and a lot less than the Halcyon...
 
Ya, the poly coating on the inside doesn't really do a whole lot for performance of the outer shell. The actual weaving on the outer shells is probably identical actually, and may come out of the same factory. Bladders I haven't seen as far as what's inside. The Halcyon wings are actually made of a woven fabric that has been thermally bonded on the inside, then covered in some sort of finish, not sure what it is exactly, but it makes them more puncture resistant. I'd be curious to see the finish difference between HOG and OMS wings on the inside vs outside.

From what I've seen, especially regarding the HOG regs, is that they're able to get older model products from the manufacturers and rebrand them. It's not a really large secret, especially with their regulators, so they may just be using the older bladders from OMS with modified shells
 
You better hope that nothing goes wrong with your OMS wing, because that company has a HORRIBLE reputation for customer service. Maybe if your local dealer will take care of issues it doesn't matter.
 
Why I won't buy OMS gear... Only thing I have is a pair of slipstreams because the Scubapro sizing was wacky when I needed new fins. Hav ehad good luck with those, but it's really hard to screw a fin up....
 
Mahjong, If you're looking for robust and durable, take a look at the Golem 35#. You could shoot bullets at this thing .......... I have 2 singles (one for wife) and a 55# for doubles.
 
I bought the HOG 32 last year after comparing to the OMS wing. It has performed well and I'm very happy with it. I didn't have any crumpled issues with the shell that you mention.
 

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