Fixing diver trim and weight placement

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I added this to a post in the cave diving forum a while ago, but it seems common enough that I wanted to post it here in basic scuba as well, to hopefully prevent people from chasing their own tails as I did for a while.

One common issue I encounter with divers working on their trim, especially in a double-tank configuration, is an unintentional "head-up" posture. In almost every case, if a diver’s trim is head-up, it’s often due to being "head-heavy." The solution is to move some weight down toward their feet.
Here are some definitions to clarify:
  • Center of Gravity (CoG): The diver’s mass center. This is the point at which gravity pulls on the diver.
  • Center of Lift (CoL): The point where the sum of the buoyant forces acts on the diver.
These two forces are always trying to align themselves. If you draw a line radiating out from the center of the Earth, the line would go through the CoG, then the CoL.

Credit to GUE.com for the image of the diver. Scribbling on it courtesy of yours truly.
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In this diagram, the diver’s CoL is positioned above their CoG, but the diver is in a head-up orientation. When the diver tries to flatten their trim, the misalignment between CoL and CoG causes a downward head tilt due to gravity pulling on the misaligned CoG.


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The forces from CoL and CoG are no longer balanced because the bubble in the diver’s wing or BCD moves toward their feet as they flatten out. In a dry suit, gas also shifts to the feet, exaggerating this effect, resulting in the head dropping due to static imbalance.

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This diagram represents the other position of static stability, where the CoG is directly below the CoL. In a dry suit, this often results in the diver hanging by their boots as the dry suit bubble shifts.

By moving the weights toward the diver’s feet, you can create flat static stability.
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In my experience, with doubles (a manifold and two first stages), the CoG is almost always too close to the diver’s head, though this can happen with single tanks as well.

To assess for this condition, position yourself completely flat in the water and remain still, without any sculling or hand swimming. If your head starts to drop, you need to move weight toward your feet. In a backplate and wing setup, start by lowering the tank (if it’s a single tank). Then, loosen the shoulder straps and tighten the crotch strap to allow the plate to move down your back. Next, consider adding more weight to the waist belt or the bottom of the tanks, using trim pouches or something like this:
Review - Instructions for ditchable trim weight pouches for single tank diving on Halcyon backplate with Halcyon trim weight pockets | ScubaBoard

If you misdiagnose the problem and keep adding weight higher on the diver, you’ll only make them more head-up in the water.
 
Nice review! I recently worked on this myself with twin 10.5L steel tanks. I was using a stainless steel backplate and a V-weight, but twin 10.5L are quite head heavy (I should have bought twin 12L!). I was looking a lot like the first diagram you have here. I changed the SS BP to an aluminium backplate and I moved some of the weight to the lower pocket of the v-weight. It drastically improved my trim to about 15° angle. I probably still need to do a few more small adjustments, but I'm happy with my current set up as a default starting point.
 
Good diagrams. I'm working with a friend who is a new diver. He is using a Zeagle Ranger.

Remarkably, just being aware of the concept of "trim" has him off to a strong start. Your post and diagram will help to further illustrate the concept as we get his weighting dialed in.

My wife and I spent some weekend at the dive parks many moons ago working out trim...such an important trait.
 
Nice pictures.
I have a topic related question even though I always dive with a single tank setup.
I have no problem obtaining a perfect trim but when I do after a short time (like 30 sec) my lumbar spine starts to hurt.
Is that normal? Am I just whining? Or is that something that happens when I do something wrong?
 
I have no problem obtaining a perfect trim but when I do after a short time (like 30 sec) my lumbar spine starts to hurt.
Is that normal? Am I just whining? Or is that something that happens when I do something wrong?

It sounds like you are changing your posture to counteract weight distribution which isn't quite right. Pain is not to be expected when diving!
 
It sounds like you are changing your posture to counteract weight distribution which isn't quite right. Pain is not to be expected when diving!
I dive with a weight belt which is already quite far up.
Do you have any suggestions what I could to to get a better trim?
 
@Scubagermany, you may be using your back muscles to compensate for the rotational tendency due to imbalance. Doing so relies on kicking to reset the orientation of your legs & hips. It's like lying on a bed with your hips at the edge (shoulders not on the bed) -- you can make yourself into a horizontal plank, but it's gonna take a toll on those lower back muscles.

The litmus test when diving is to get horizontal and stop kicking. If you rotate, move weight away from the end that goes down. Get it dialed and it's like your whole body is on the bed, rather than just part of it.
 
Nice pictures.
I have a topic related question even though I always dive with a single tank setup.

It's relevant for double or single tank configuration, double tanks just make it more likely for you to be head heavy because of all the extra weight up there from the 2 rigs and manifold.

I have no problem obtaining a perfect trim but when I do after a short time (like 30 sec) my lumbar spine starts to hurt.

Swimming or stationary?

Is that normal? Am I just whining? Or is that something that happens when I do something wrong?
It can be normal, it depends on why you're having to hold muscle tension.

Some people are so tight from sitting all the time that just laying on their stomach on the floor can cause back pain. If that's you, fix that.

It could be that your tank is to long and you're pressing your butt into the tank and then pushing the front of your hips into your weight belt creating some isometric tension there.

Another possible cause is that your fins are to heavy and you're holding a lot of muscle tension to keep your fins from dropping.

I'd say step one is to get in trim and get still and then assess what happens when you relax. Do your legs drop at the hips? Do you start to go head up / head down, and then figure out the position where you can hold completely still with no movement and no / minimal muscle tension.
 


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