Fisheye fix uwl-04 on ikelite a570 67mm housing

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I'm behind y'all on the new cool S90, however any advice would be much appreciated!

I currently dive the a570is (big surprise ;)) in the ikelite housing which has 67mm threads on the port. I'm looking to purchase a wet lens that will increse my FOV. The w20 is an option and I can get for a reasonable price, however it seems that lenses like the fisheye fix uw-04 and inon 165fe would be better. I understand for the inon 165 fisheye I would need an adapter to make that "ad-mount" lens work with my housing. I checked and I believe ikelite has recently released a part.

Furthermore, has anyone used the fisheye 04 lens with my current camera rig? Or a similar ikelite housing? I am unsure if the 52/67 adapter would limit angle fov or cause too much vignetting in conjunction with my particular camera/housing.

All this being said, I may chose the inon uwl-100 if it has reasonably good performance. Ideally I would have a fisheye but the wide angle by inon and Ike would be sweet I'm sure.

Thanks!
Jacob
 
Read the threads in this forum. There are lots on this EXACT issue. Recent. On the first page, even. You don't even have to search, really.

Short answer: We don't really know with certainty what will, and what won't work, yet. Except we know the Ikelite W20 works.
 
Per your PM, I think the UWL-04 is a fine lens based on what I have been told and while it is expensive it is actually less than the Inon lens plus dome. I want one but the boss has informed me that I should make what I have work. Maybe if I pout and look pitiful she will give in??

The AD series wide angle lenses from Inon will not work with your Ikelite housing unless you have an adapter such as the one I made and have described in previous threads. Even then it is sketchy, I had to shorten my port. The Inon 165AD-FE lens is great when it works, the compact size, amazing depth of field and sharpness are amazing--when it works.

You can use the Inon 165AD-FE with the DC-12 housing and A570, BTW.

N
 
Nemrod...thanks, I am going to check with someone who has actually used it that the uwl-04 works with my ike housing. Otherwise I like your idea of the inon uwl-100 then adding a dome later if I want. Pricey route, but I know it'll work. I could also switch housings to the canon/ad mount...for use with the 165 but I like the ike :).

I found ikelite part 9306.79

...however, I am afraid that using it with the 165fe would leave too much material and cause vignetting. Same reason I am afraid of the uwl-04...as it comes with and requires use of the 52mm to 67mm adapter. Hmmm, I may just have to risk extra cost for extra degrees of view! I just hate finding out how it actually works once I've bought it!


Compudude, let me rephrase my original post. I know exactly which lenses physically will fit and work with which housings, I just wanted an opinion from someone who has actually had them in their hands to play with. I spend a fair bit of time lurking, and have actually read all of the surrounding threads, but no one said straight out that the fisheye fix uwl-04 (natively 52mm...that comes with an adapter which must be used for 67mm housings) such as my ikelite would work with little vignetting or without having to zoom my little cheap camera so much that it's even worth it. And I know that Nemrod has creatively made an adapter for his ike a570 housing to use with ad mount lenses such as the inon 165fe, and that I found a similar solution...the ikelite part #9306.79, which I assume allows attachment but not practical use of ad lenses on 67mm threaded housings. All this being said, I am left to decide the "safe" route...w20 (obviously will work! it'd better on the same manufacturer's housing), inon uwl-100 maybe adding the dome later (expensive), or trying to make the sweeter fisheye lenses inon 165 and fisheye fix uwl-04 work with the aforementioned adapters;risking the inherent problems with digicams in housings with bulky ports that have bulky attachments for wet lenses.

Why compudude, are you saying I should read the threads to find the answer, when in the same sentence you say no one has it? (we don't really know with certainty what will, and what won't work, I suppose I did come to the wrong place, I regret my first post already! Too bad reef photo and backscatter are far far away from me. And too bad everyone posting only speculates how anything will work.
 
Compudude, let me rephrase my original post. I know exactly which lenses physically will fit and work with which housings, I just wanted an opinion from someone who has actually had them in their hands to play with. I spend a fair bit of time lurking, and have actually read all of the surrounding threads, but no one said straight out that the fisheye fix uwl-04 (natively 52mm...that comes with an adapter which must be used for 67mm housings) such as my ikelite would work with little vignetting or without having to zoom my little cheap camera so much that it's even worth it. And I know that Nemrod has creatively made an adapter for his ike a570 housing to use with ad mount lenses such as the inon 165fe, and that I found a similar solution...the ikelite part #9306.79, which I assume allows attachment but not practical use of ad lenses on 67mm threaded housings. All this being said, I am left to decide the "safe" route...w20 (obviously will work! it'd better on the same manufacturer's housing), inon uwl-100 maybe adding the dome later (expensive), or trying to make the sweeter fisheye lenses inon 165 and fisheye fix uwl-04 work with the aforementioned adapters;risking the inherent problems with digicams in housings with bulky ports that have bulky attachments for wet lenses.

Why compudude, are you saying I should read the threads to find the answer, when in the same sentence you say no one has it? (we don't really know with certainty what will, and what won't work, I suppose I did come to the wrong place, I regret my first post already! Too bad reef photo and backscatter are far far away from me. And too bad everyone posting only speculates how anything will work.

Sorry if I came off harsher than intended.

The fact is, however, no one has the answers you seek, because no one has the same combination of hardware that you do, except Ryan. Everything in every one of the threads is speculation and guesswork... you asked questions that had been discussed in nearly every one of the threads, all of which were still relatively active, and all of which had been determined to be "we don't know yet".

The people at Fix might know. Ryan might know, IF he has received the updated adapters from Fix. Those are the only ones with access to all the possible permutations of housings and lenses.

In all the discussion and all the threads, there's only a handful of people with housings in their hands... and fewer still with housings AND wide angle lenses AND a way to connect the two. And I have yet to see anyone who actually has the Fisheye UWL04 lens in their hands, other than Ryan and the folks in Japan.

Everyone really wants the answers to all the questions. Everyone has been contributing every sliver of information they have to try to get the big picture, but frankly it's all incomplete. I directed you to the current threads because you weren't really asking anything new, and the questions had been discussed before. These weren't old and buried threads, these were current threads still on the first page. All mostly unresolved.

I say this as explanation for my briefer response earlier. I hope you understand what I was getting at now.

With regard to the 9306.79 bayonet adapter, it is very similar to the 9306.80 adapter I use with my Ikelite housing for my S80. If you look at Ikelite's chart, however, which lists housings and cameras and their compatible accessories, you'll note that the S90 housing only officially supports Option "B", which is the Ike W20 lens or other 67mm-threaded lenses. Only housings which support Option "E" are compatible with the 9306.79 for adding bayonet lenses. The PDF makes it clear that the connection method they use is the same as the connection method my adapter (9306.80) uses, three screws hold it in place via friction against the outside of the existing housing's lens tube... the screws go into a groove around the lens tube. Looking at how large the S90's lens tube is (designed for 67mm threads inside it), and the fact that there is no similar groove, it doesn't look to me like there is much likelihood the 9306.79 will work with the S90 housing. Just a guess, but it's an educated one nonetheless. Ikelite's documentation would have to be wrong, and past design decisions would have to have been radically changed for that to work.
 
I found ikelite part 9306.79

No, that is not what you think it is. That adapts the 47mm Ikelite small port housings to AD, not the large port 67mm housings to AD. Sorry. No cigar.;)

Here is a picture of the AD adapter I made beside a 165AD-FE lens for 67mm ports:

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And yes it works. And, if I must, I will make my own for the S90/FIX as well and it will work also.

N
 
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Amigos,

I have been reading these threads (as mancub states) and want to just add a couple of comments.

I of course am Ikelite centric and have shot in the past the fine INON 165 UFL fisheye lens on a couple of Ikelite's "Compact" size housings. This is the smallest "block" one that Nemrod has shared for his Canon A570 IS camera.

When adapters for AD and 67mm INON lenses became available I had some customers owning those lenses who got the adapters with a newer model COMPACT camera housings. All overall are happy but DID have to zoom in possibly negating the WA effect somewhat. This varies a LOT depending on camera in the housing.

How much actual lens angles and FOV is affected I don't know. If folks get great pics with their new gear sometimes I don't hear from then until they need more!

As far as the hot new Canon S90 in a FIX or my lowly little Ikelite Ultra Compact housing I'll say this....

When I shot it the other day in the pool WITHOUT a strobe the W20 certainly makes these compact rigs heavier UW. And I suspect any WA addition to any of the tiny housings no matter what brand will do so.

It wasn't objectionable but being the type who HATES lanyard and other crappola' that gets in my way when I'm trying to shoot pics it is something people should be aware of. Hanging a big WA lens off any small housing will be noticeable..

Ryan (a friend :) will have accurate info on the new UWL-04 and FIX housing I'm sure as soon as he can. Plus other choices and solutions for lenses many here already own or are considering.

But for the Ikelite Ultra Compact housing I find the W20 (and INON equivalent 67mm threaded lens) will suffice for most UW shooters. (It does for me)

More time in the water including pool practice will tell you more what your rig can do IMHO.....

Good shooting!

dhaas
 

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So you are saying what :). Ha, ha. That I am, uh, wordy, over the top, excessive?

I don't zoom my FE to make it work, it works straight up and provides the full 165 degree FOV. The OP has the same housing and camera and inquired via a PM, I just completed the answer here since it was apparent there was still confusion.

I find the 165FE a very compact and lightweight lens, no more obtrusive than the Ikelite W20 and I think it is lighter since the dome is acrylic. But, if you like, I can put them on a scale? :)

Thing is, I have resources (limited) including machining and design capability. I can make one off things. I don't make them for other people however, but the idea they can extrapolate on to suit themselves if they wish or not. I already have one job and do not wish to open Nemrods Camera Adapter store. Though it would make a nice addition to XXXXXX Aviation, Tool, Lawnmower, Outboard, Chainsaw, LLC. Pulling the port from the Ikelite case (as I in fact did) or if I must, the FIX case and making a new one is not beyond my capabilities, I just would rather not, really, really, rather not. I have no time for that at all. Why, because it costs more in time and money. Here I spent more time and money than had I just bought a UCLS tray but I could just not resist recycling my Ikelite tray, so this is for the FIX90 now:

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It would be nice if the manufactures would build things to work together with off the shelf components so everybody can have fun and have confidence what they spend money on will work to their satisfaction. That is why all of these threads with very helpful folks like dhass and Ryan and Jack many others can be helpful to so many including me, thank you all. I don't care if most people hate me and don't like my posts. I get email and email and PM after PM from people who did find them useful and they are the ones I care about. To the extent things I say are later found not fully correct, rare, well, roses come with thorns, put me on block if you cannot take being pricked.

N
 
Compudude sorry if I jumped to conclusions. I think at the end of the day we can all shake hands and agree we were itchy for information. I understand I likely should have just added to another post.

Thanks again Nemrod for your information as well, very useful as i too am trying to get the widest lens for least amount of money. Who knows if that will work.

Cheers
 
Nem,

Everyone LOVES your detailed explanations :)

A question......What are all the extensions for in your tray / handle pics? I assume the ball is to attach a strobe, but are you still dragging the Sekonic meter along UW?

Your Canon S90 camera has a histogram you can bring up by tapping the DISPLAY button as a secondary shooting display. This turns on various options once you set it up in the MENU area.

I's 1000% more accurate than the Sekonic....Try it!

I just shot that way last Saturday in the pool and am learning more and more to use the histogram for metering versus judging my shots via the LCD that lies all the time :( Ha ha......

The only thing I MAY rely on my LCD is if I don't see color pop up I know my strobes need a bit more output. Or I need to move closer.....

Sell the Sekonic on Ebay then :)

LOL.....

dhaas
 

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