First dive in doubles.

Please register or login

Welcome to ScubaBoard, the world's largest scuba diving community. Registration is not required to read the forums, but we encourage you to join. Joining has its benefits and enables you to participate in the discussions.

Benefits of registering include

  • Ability to post and comment on topics and discussions.
  • A Free photo gallery to share your dive photos with the world.
  • You can make this box go away

Joining is quick and easy. Log in or Register now!

mwhities

Contributor
Messages
3,005
Reaction score
6
Location
Mississippi
# of dives
50 - 99
**I wasn't sure where to put this exactly. I will dive/have dove with most of you here so, I figured this to be the best area to post in as any others, I'll probably never dive with anyone that'd read it.**

Talking about COMPLETELY different.

First, I'll catch everyone up. I started the day by trying on the dry suit that I bought from Tim (kidspot). I had bought it from him sometime last year or maybe the year before. (Sometime before Tanner was here so at least 16 months ago.) The suit fit a LOT better this time than the first time I tried it on. (Granted, 336lbs compared to 316lbs (this morning) makes a lot of a difference.)

I was happy that I was able to slide it on and actually have enough room (maybe not much) for undergarments. (I only wore thin shorts, the pool is 89F and I figured I'd get WAY to hot.) I was able to pull the suit all the way up so I had no sag in the (__Y__) and it actually fit my legs quite well. (Before I though they were too long but, I could actually get he "middle" of the suit to/past my med-section.) I was able to have the top bunched up around my mid-section (Think DiveRite's suspenders, how people walk around with them around their waist.)

I could sit down and bend over and put my DUI rock boots on (Size 15 with XXL Jets - Perfect match - Thanks Tim) and tighten them up. I then put my arm through the sleeve (since I wasn't sweating yet, I was able to get my hand through the seal.) and then I pulled my head through the neck seal. Well, I was standing there (goodthing it was cool out) in my dry suit with the zipper open in my drive way. Luckly my niece was there.. hehe.. "Sarah, can you come try to zip this up?" Sarah, "Sure Uncle Michael!". (She's upset because it's "not fair" that her older brother Adam (10 years old) can scuba dive and she can't.... So she's always ready to do anything to help or "get a chance" to "scuba". (Too sweet too.)) Yay! After bending WAY back, she was able to pull the zipper all the way across.

So, I asked her if she wanted to go swimming at the local Courthouse (local gym). Of course.. (She's a fish along with her brother.) So I commence getting to trying to get out of the suit and mind you, I started to get hot. Sarah unzipped me and her mother had to come out and help me get my hand through the wrist seal. After that, I sat back down and started peeling my legs out of the suit. The socks (crushed neoprene I assume) are a PAIN to get off. (PLEASE tell me there is a sock I can wear that will help them slide right off!). Finally got both legs out and loaded up the truck.

We arrive at the Courthouse and I go in and pay a 5.00 guest fee for both of us and make our way to the pool. They were kind enough to open the gates by the pool to allow me to park close to the pool and only have to walk 15+- yards to where I'd set my gear up.

Sarah grabbed my fins, boots and other small things. I setup the doubles with the DR classic wing and my back plate. (I put the bolts through the middle grommets (If you know what "spot" that is on a classic wing.) I then carried that and my dry suit to the pool. Funny enough, they had a LOT of tables there, unfortunately, all of them were plastic. So I had to lay a towel out and then squat/sit the double on it. OUCH. Never again.

Sarah (such a wonderful helper) starts putting my mask, fins and regulators by the tank and then jumps in and splashes me. Too funny.

So, I sit there on the ground with the tanks laying there and try to strap this Argon bottle to the tank. HATE IT. I had to lift the tanks and try to fish the straps through the doubles and then velcro it. Argh! I'm already sweating and I know it's going to get hotter when I get the dry suit on.

I finally finish getting the bottle and then start adding my regs. First the left post then the right post. I HOPE I had it right. (I did, I just usually miss the finer details of things. :P I did forget to add a SS bolt snap to my long hose! Doh!) I then checked and double checked to make sure the valves were on and working. I breathed from both regs and all was good.

So I go to the rest room and change int my shorts. I make my way out to the pool and start doning my dry suit. It's HOT in there so I open up one of the doors where my gear was. (They have garage size doors on the far walls.) Ahh, good ole cool air. I finally get suited up and have my shoes on. So I try to climb down the ladder but, my dry suit wouldn't allow my legs to bend very well, so I did a half giant stride in.

OUCH... major squeeze in just 3 1/2' of water? My feet were compressed big time. So I pull the towel the doubles are laying on and get the tanks closer to the side of the pool. I have the isolater valve closest to me so I pull the tanks to me and allow the iso bar to rest on mu hip and I grab my crotch strap nearest the back plate and pick the doubles up and then set them in the water. Ahh, another hurdle down. So I ask Sarah to help hold the tanks up while I try the get the straps on over my shoulders. With out a dry suit, it's super easy (I bet you all know that already.. :|) but, WITH a dry suit and the exhaust valve on your shoulder, it's a MAJOR PITA. :| Luckly I was able to get my left nub and the valve through and then "chicken wing" my right arm in through the other strap. *PHEW*.

I then asked Sarah to hand me the Argon bottle hose and I quickly added air hoping it would relieve pressure on my feet. Nope. :| So I quickly get my waist strap strung through my crotch strap and then tighten it up as much as I could. Then I did another air check and made sure everything was working properly. T`was.

I tell Sarah to "pick me up" if I go to the bottom and don't move. She smiles and laughs. So I put the reg in my mouth and "fell over" forward. Wow. it was DIFFERENT for sure. I added more air to my dry suit to relieve the squeeze I had going on everywhere. I then pointed my head down and my feet up (I'll give you one guess why....).. Ahh, much better. I lay there and try to get my buoyancy right in the 3 1/2' pool. Well, Sarah listened to what I said and picked me up. I started laughing... she said "I did what you told me!!" I laughed again and told her just to watch me and I'll let her know if I needed her.

So I go under again and still try to get buoyant. I'm on the bottom, I'm on the surface.. Man, this sucks!! Finally, I get my buoyancy "somewhat" under control but, the tanks feel really wobbly. I could not for the life of me figure out why the tanks kept swaying side to side. I'd stop dead still and they'd still be "lose and wobbly".

After going from one end to the other end of the pool, I come up and there was Sarah. I asked her if she was touching me at all. She grinned and said "I was riding on your tanks!!" and started laughing. I too started laughing. I told her that this was hard enough and to please not do it again. I thought I was going crazy. She laughed and then dove under the water and swam off.

So, I start down again and BAM, it's EASIER.. that turd butt Sarah. I'm able to get my buoyancy under control slightly but, when I do a full exhale and inhale I lose it. I had to "shorten" my breaths so I wouldn't hit the bottom. After about 15 minutes of the 3 1/2 side of the pool, I surface and tell Sarah I'm going to the deeper end. She says okay and swims off.

So I submerge again and make my way to the deep end. It's only about 15' deep. I get over the slant part and I try to head down.. swoosh, there I go to the bottom. Imagine someone belly surfacing a wave or snow sliding on their stomach with doubles on. That was me. WOW. Different.

I finally come up about three feet and start kicking around. I'm actually able to keep my buoyancy somewhat under control. I swim the length of the pool several times adjusting my dry suit with the air bubble and adjust the wing as well. Several times I'd start dropping and a few I'd start popping up. After the next 15 minutes or so, I "feel" like I'm starting to get the hang of it. I'm actually able to breath "normally" and not sink and rise as much. (Maybe because I was at 11-12'.) I noticed a few "weird" things as I was trying to work with my dry suit and wing. I'll ask those questions later. )

I feel comfortable enough that I want to switch to my back up reg. Well, I had noticed that when I put it on (bungee around my neck) that I was "short". I figured it was because I was standing up and the tanks were low on my back. So I didn't think anything of it then. Well, I grab my back up and it's still to short to put into my mouth. So I hover there (at least I think I was.) and try to figure out why it's not reaching. I reach back and I grabbed my first stage on the right post. I feel for the hoses and since I know the primary reg and wing inflater hose is on that one, I trace one of the hoses and in turns out to be my inflater hose. So I grab my first stage again and trace the other.. Better but. wait.. what's the other hose? So I forget the primary hose and I follow this new one. Ahh, my back up reg hose.. I follow the hose back up to my primary reg hose and my back up reg's hose is "behind" the primary reg's hose. THAT'S why it's short! (At least I hoped.)
 
Since I can't get the back up into my mouth to rearrange my long hose, I take my reg out of my mouth and kinda do a air share drill but instead I "flip it" and put it back into my mouth. (So now my long hose is "deployed" and floating in front of me and then to my side.) So I grab first stage again and find the long hose. I begin to pull it through the back up regs hose loop. When I finally ran out of hose to pull through, I palm my primary and then push it through the loop and my head. I put the reg back in my mouth and I grabbed my back up. Yay! It moved and seemed to move far enough.
I then wrap my primary around the back of my neck and all is well. I then palm my primary and then do a quick switch from my primary to my back up. No problem. Seemed a little shorter than normal but, better. (I couldn't look completely to the left.) I then tried pulling on the short hose and I get a little more. I turn my head and it worked. I then started to put my long hose back into place. I was trying to put it between my plate and wing. I think I did but, when I "swung" the hose out and back in with my arm, the hose seemed to keep hanging on something and wouldn't snug up against me (the plate).

I couldn't figure it out. I knew there was no valve there or anything. I left it as it was and rerouted the primary reg back over my head and around to my face and then let it hang. (Remember, I forgot to add a bolt snap to it.) I then stuffed the extra hose into my waist strap. (I no longer have a can light and I forgot to add my knife back on.) Alls well. I switch out regs and I'm breathing off my primary again.

Feeling more confident after doing all that without hitting the bottom or popping to the top, I simulate an air share. I grab my reg and then donate it to my OOA imaginary buddy. I signal "okay" and he responds with "okay". I drop the reg and pull the rest of the hose out. All this time, I'm blowing out slightly from my mouth. I grab my back up reg and start breathing off of it. I grab my SPG from my left chest strap d-ring and show it to my imaginary buddy. He signals "okay". Yay! I felt I did that right... Did I?

So, I felt pretty good just swimming back and forth across the pool. I decide that I needed to take my mask off and put it back on. I figured I'd slam into the bottom. Nope. I actually think I stayed in about the same spot. I took my mask off and then I put the face part back on my face and "rubbed" my head back until I felt the strap and then grabbed it and positioned it. I then cleared and appeared to be at about the same depth.

Then the MAIN reason I wanted to try doubles popped into my head. Can I reach the left valve? I talked with Ben_V in chat and told him that I couldn't reach the left valve when I had the tanks on standing up. He told me that the "closest" way to simulate reaching it without being in water was to prop the tanks up slightly on a tail gate or something and try. I did that and I was JUST able to reach the left one. Seemed promising!

Then I thought of something else... I've read where the dry suit has restricted people from being able to get to any valve. Talk about crushing! Arggh!!

So, I reach back and there is my right post. Okay good, one down, two to go. I reach right behind my head and there is the isolater valve! Yay! two down and one to go. I reach behind my head and grab my ..... first stage! NOOOO!!!! So I gather my thoughts and try again. I grab my first stage again and I slowly "walk" my hand/fingers further left. I feel the tanks being "pulled" to my right side, then BAM! There is the left valve!

I am able to use the tips of my fingers to turn the valve back and forth. I wasn't quite brave enough to try turning it off and back on completely. I was just so excited that I could actually reach it. At this point, I believe I was really sucking down some gas because I was sooo pumped up for reaching my left valve.

This has been around 25 minutes or so. I had noticed Sarah diving into the pool and looking at me and waving. So I knew all this time that she was okay. I could also go up to 3 or 4 feet and see all the way across the pool and see her swimming.

I figured it was getting late so I looked at my dive buddy and called it. We swam back to the shallow end where Sarah was. She wanted to breath of the reg so I allowed her to. (She's done it several times with her daddy and with me with him.) So I asked her if she wanted to breath on the reg under water while I swam the length of the pool a couple times.. Of course! So I told her to grab my tank and let her feet float out behind her. We swam (staying in only the 3 1/2' part of the pool) up and down the pool twice. Between my breaths, I could hear her's and knew she was still there.

After we made it back. I decided that I wanted to see if I could turn the left post off and then back on. So I switched to my back up and I reached over and started walking my hand back to the valve and started twisting it. Turning and turning it finally stopped. Ok? I might have done some..... ACK!.. No air! So I start turning it the other way and ahhh, air again. I came up and was smiling... Sarah looked at me and said "What's up with you?" "Just happy my little love.".

It was time to break the gear down and head out. I had a fit with getting my fins on while in the water. I just knew I'd have the same issue trying to get them off. I was lucky enough that I was in 3 1/2' of water that I could kneel and grab the spring straps on both feet with no issue. I asked Sarah to pull them off while I breathed off my reg under water.

I was thinking I could climb the ladder and walk the doubles straight to the truck. HAHAHAAH No way. I couldn't even get my foot to the last ladder step. So I had to reverse the process I did to get the tanks into the pool.

Make this shorter, long enough I'm sure... I was able to get up the ladder in my dry suit. Luckly, I couldn't with the tanks, the steps "bent" under my weight. I think they'd broke if I had the tanks on. Sarah helps me break everything down and helps me carry it all to the truck.

NOW, here's the hardest part. I started sweating and my feet were STUCK in the socks. It literally took me about 10 to 15 minutes PER FOOT to get them out. PLEASE tell me there IS an EASIER way to get them off.

So, I know I'm not the best at English, writing, etc.. but, I hope you enjoyed my first dive in doubles. I know I did. This just opened up a whole NEW world for myself. I can't wait to explore it.

Thanks again to all of you that have supported me, given advice, criticized me or anything else. All of you are very special in your own ways with me. I could go on and on but, I'm tired. Stupid time change.

Okay, enough. Thanks again all,

Michael
 
Michael, good post and I admire your courage to do what even folks with two good working hands can't do well. I often wondered how you were planning to manage the typical gas drills, or even if it were realistically possible. Sounds like you got a heck of allot of stretch. I barely can reach my valves as is.

Something I've ran across several times is a valve remote. Can't say I've ever seen such a tool useful for anything, but now wonder if this may be something that could be helpful to ya. You should be able to use it on any valve you choose, then bungee it to your shoulder strap. Could make it easier.

As you know BM2.0 goes to Blue water often, as I try to as well. Typically I try to go every two weeks. Keep an eye out for my post and if possible feel free to join me or Rita for some dive.

Keep up the good work!

Kenny
 
Hey Mike, thanks for the report! I have 1 more tank to breathe down and I will be doubling up 2 steel 72's and was wondering how it would be as I have never dived doubles before also.:D I admire your perseverance and it was a great thread!!! Tim
 
Nice "dive" report Mike. Sounds like you had a great learning dive. I am not going to dive doubles even with 2 arms so kudos to you.
 
Michael, good post and I admire your courage to do what even folks with two good working hands can't do well. I often wondered how you were planning to manage the typical gas drills, or even if it were realistically possible. Sounds like you got a heck of allot of stretch. I barely can reach my valves as is.

Something I've ran across several times is a valve remote. Can't say I've ever seen such a tool useful for anything, but now wonder if this may be something that could be helpful to ya. You should be able to use it on any valve you choose, then bungee it to your shoulder strap. Could make it easier.

As you know BM2.0 goes to Blue water often, as I try to as well. Typically I try to go every two weeks. Keep an eye out for my post and if possible feel free to join me or Rita for some dive.

Keep up the good work!

Kenny

Kenny,

I appreciate the kind words. Yeah, I wasn't sure (I figured I wouldn't be able to so I prepared myself for it.) if I could actually reach the valve. That's why (I think) my post seemed super excited about it. :) I'm pretty tall, ask Rita. I'm 6' 6" so I have at least a 3' and 3" reach. :) (Pretty flexible for a tall fat guy. :P)

I actually have the 24" valve extender. I talked with Gordon @ CaveAdventures and he recommended it too. My really good buddy Brent from GA had found one at his LDS and it'd been sitting there awhile. He bought it and sent it to me. (I still owe him for it and a few dinners/beers. :P) I first wanted to see if I could actually reach the valves first, before adding it. Your description of using it is exactly the way I was thinking about adding it onto my rig.

You ARE gong to ABWA Nov 15th, right? If Rita can make it, we'll be diving doubles. I know for at least one dive. I have a buddy that's going to be there and is going to "mentor" me with running cave line (in open water). He's also going to (I hope) help me design a *something* to allow me to use a LP inflater hose to use my SMB with so I don't have to try to get my exhaust bubbles into the SMB or have to take a reg out of my mouth. (I'll let you know more later. :P)

Thanks again Kenny. Hope to see you at ABWA the 15th. :)

Michael
 
Hey Mike, thanks for the report! I have 1 more tank to breathe down and I will be doubling up 2 steel 72's and was wondering how it would be as I have never dived doubles before also.:D I admire your perseverance and it was a great thread!!! Tim

Tim,

No problem. I tried to give enough details without going INTO details about it and bore everyone with it. :) haha I'm NOT a writer. :)

The 72's I heard are quite nice. Being a taller fellow, I doubt they'd work much for myself. Post a report once you double them up. I want to hear your thoughts too.

Are you going to be diving a dry suit too?

Thanks, I just try to keep it real. ;)

Michael
 
Nice "dive" report Mike. Sounds like you had a great learning dive. I am not going to dive doubles even with 2 arms so kudos to you.

Thanks Clay. It was quite fun and exciting. I appreciate it. Hopefully this well help my bottom time. ;)

Michael
 
I thought about getting an air nozzle Hose Adapters and Special Fittings and using it in my drysuit hose if diving in the ocean in a wet suit or adding another hose.

Ohh I like. That might be the end of the rig we are going to try to create. That'll plug right into the LP hose and possibly work out really well.

Thanks for posting that!!

Michael
 

Back
Top Bottom