Fire on dive boat Conception in CA

[rjack321]

Which seems odd. In NM the state OMI does autopsies on everyone who dies under anything but clearly natural causes.

Given the temperatures involved, they are quite possibly working from just teeth and bone fragments for some victims. Hence the DNA analysis.

 

[Hiszpan]

After USA Today:

"Since pathologists are convinced smoke inhalation is the primary cause of death there are no plans to conduct traditional autopsies, Brown said, but medical examiners will a final determination."

They must be pretty sure about the smoke inhalation death to issue statement like this I think. There must be strong evidence to support that.

I've never been in any fire situation but if all those 34 people woke up, realizing what's going on upstairs, at least some of them would probably try to run thought the fire/smoke using clothes/blankets as a some kind of protection, if meager, from this inferno. Especially if we had 1 crew member sleeping with them, who should in theory be more oriented in the ways they could get out of this situation using emergency exits/hatches/whatever possible way to the outside.

Again, I might be wrong and I welcome and appreciate comments from others here who help me to cross off possible scenarios.

 

[ChrisM]

Given California's reputation as a "nanny" state. Do they have any jurisdiction in this matter? From what I read the boat was anchored in state not federal waters.

Anchored in Channel Islands National Park

 

[Tuttlet]

No they are not relatively fixed. One might be surprised at how much some vessels can be reconfigured. As I posted previously, (Fire on dive boat Conception in CA) the hatch could be reconfigured with very little re-engineering being required.

I had this rough idea for a redesign of that bunk area. As a secondary egress it does not have to be vertical, is that correct? Stairs on a slope should have the advantage of somewhat forcing the top person outward if there was a crush behind, and you'd emerge more or less moving ahead and to the back of the boat.

Obviously a rather basic drawing.

 

[Steelyeyes]

Is that supposed to be a joke?

No. She and her husband are volunteer medical staff at the event. They don't have internet or I'd have asked her already.

 

[Compressor]

No comment needed.

Source

 

[Scared Silly]

I had this rough idea for a redesign of that bunk area. As a secondary egress it does not have to be vertical, is that correct? Stairs on a slope should have the advantage of somewhat forcing the top person outward if there was a crush behind, and you'd emerge more or less moving ahead and to the back of the boat.

Frank (Wookie) and others with more relative knowledge can comment more, but it does not have to be vertical. On one vessel our secondary egress was up short flight of steps.

 

[Diver2019]

Did you read the link? It was the conclusions of pathologists, not the Sheriff; he was just reporting their findings.

The question is how you determine the cause of death for all 33 of them without a single autopsy beyond reasonable doubt. It's not gossiping.

 

[rjack321]

The question is how you determine the cause of death for all 33 of them without a single autopsy beyond reasonable doubt. It's not gossiping.

Why does it matter that much?
If zero work up or if the 4 (those recovered in the water) woke up and couldn't exit while the 30 others passed due to smoke inhalation what would the practical difference be?

Given statements that the bodies were unrecognizable and DNA analysis was needed for identification of many of them: I doubt you are going to meet a "reasonable doubt" standard. While 1) isn't required and 2) is unlikely to change NTSB recommendations anyway.

 

[Compressor]

Source for all: ABC News

Look at the beautiful faces of these divers.
God Bless them all.

We can argue all we want but let's not forget the beautiful souls lost. Brings tears to my eyes when I look at these lost souls.

Source for all: ABC News and SFGate