FFM for the Prism Topaz

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Capt Tom McCarthy

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I just sent in the deposit for my Prism Topaz and i'm psyched. Unfortunately the estimated wait is 12 months, but I was told its usually a few months shorter than that. Now for my question. Does anyone have any recomendations or preferences for FFM's? Specifically with the Prism? The only thing I could think of that would make any difference using it with the Prism as opposed to any other CCR is the mask interferring with the HDD (hitting it or limiting view of it).
 
Hello Tmccr1, congrats on the Prism purchase. I've had mine for 4 years now and love it. As for FFM's, the most flexable seems to be the Kirby Morgan KM48. I know that SMI rigged up a KM48 with the Prism DSV and it looked very well done. It might be helpful to check with SMI about the WOB/compatability issues-they will definitely have an opinion about whether or not to use one or which FFM goes best with the Prism. My personal feeling is that an Open Circuit switchable bail out valve or BOV is crucial for an FFM. But if you do your home work, it will all become clear. Good luck, -Andy
 
Thanks for the advice. I totally agree with you. I plan on bringing a completely redundant SCUBA unit with me for a while (if not for a while then permenantly). So I am looking into the masks with the hinged reg (or DSV) on the bottom.
 
Steam Machines used to have a page on their website with FFMs. They liked the Scubapro mask, I know the PRISM has been used with the Ocean Reef as well as the Kirby-Morgan Supermask.

IMHO the Supermask is the best option as it allows you to use a normal 2nd stage when you remove the pod, without having to replace the mask. But most all FFMs are adaptable for use with rebreathers. In the end personal preference and and best fit will the deciding factor.
 
Tmccar1:
Does anyone have any recomendations or preferences for FFM's? Specifically
with the Prism?


An opinion on diving Rebreathers with Full Face Mask * Peter F.
Readey



In shallow water a standard Full Face Mask (FFM) with a low dead space or
oral nasal is appropriate for communications and for some cold-water
applications with communications. It has been our experience if an oral
nasal type system has a weeping seal (nicked seal, debris etc), the user
often does not recognize slow water ingress into the system, which can
result in serious flood in the case of inversion, or any significant change
in body position.


Furthermore, a standard, open-circuit type, oral nasal design has proven to
be inappropriate for deep-water heavy exertion diving leading to
considerable problems of CO2 build-up.


A ³T-bit² design alleviates some of these problems to a large extentbut does
not resolve the large air volume typically associated with a FFM. On some
systems it is not possible to completely clear the FFM with a single lungful
of gas. Kirby Morgan Super Mask with Rebreather pod and ScubaPro low volume
masks are a good combination of T-bit style FFM, with low dead space
designs.


Although the T-bit FFM assemblies with the lowest volume will function at
depth, bailout to open circuit with a switchover block are often problematic
as the regulator orientation, being far away from the users mouth has
hydrostatic issues ranging from positional free flow to extremely high
inhalation resistance at a given body position. Not to mention single point
failure at the regulator.


A retaining strap attached to a neutrally buoyant mouthpiece has proved
acceptable in many extreme environments.


This is a contentious issue as there is not a single or simple solution to
the problem. Although some of our customers use a FFM with the PRISM, Steam
Machines, Inc does not recommend the use of a full face mask with less than
100 hrs of RB specific dive time and only for specific application with
extensive, appropriate training for that purpose.
 
Indeed, Shas is the screen- and nickname of Pete's wife Sharon. :D
 
Well i'm very pleased to hear from you. I spoke with you in person at your Beneath the sea booth this year. Between your husbands great presentation on Rebreather engineering and design and your and Ron Scorese's wonderful knowledge and personalities I chose the Prism for my first breather. You two were the only rebreather company booth who could actually answer the questions I asked. The guy at the Megladon booth actually told me that temperature has nothing to do with scrubber duration! Keep up the great work!
 
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