Father and son run over by dive charter

[aprxh]

While this is a tragic accident the last thing we need is more legislation.

 

[danvolker]

Imagine....if it is a huge story on Politics, they are TOLD EXactly what to print.....and if it is a little story like this one, there is no money or time or real "researchers/journalists" left to do a real investigation....

 

[gypsyjim]

I love the rubber duck image, LOL.

Last thing we need is more legislation.
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While this is a tragic accident the last thing we need is more legislation.

Come on guys, you are trying to take all the fun out of being a politician!
They know how to do only 2 things to try to solve problems, create new legislation, and throw money at the problem. Taking the time to really understand the issue, and use logic to solve the problem is way too much hassle.
And besides, if they ever started doing that, there would be no time left to do their main job, which is to raise cash to run for re election. You don't want that now, do you?

OR; If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it. ~Ronald Reagan

 

[irishsquid]

Imagine a couple of Rock climbers on a cliff face, about to repel down 100 feet. Both step off the ledge, without first clipping in their ropes--so they free fall to their death. Is rock climbing to blame? Is the practice of repelling down a face to blame?

Maybe something distracted them, but in any event, they choose to step off.

My stepson's cousin did just that. Brain fart! Lost a leg, multiple facial fractures, ribs, arms, collar bones. Can barely get around today. He had tied off so many times and overlooked this one time.

 

[Splitlip]

I remember an incident about 20 years ago. A skydiver took a ride up to shoot pics of jumpers exiting an aircraft. He apparantly decided to jump to the ground instead of riding in the plane. He did not have his rig. Bounced.

 

[openmindOW]

My stepson's cousin did just that.

Mistakes happen. All humans are fallible. We are easily distracted.

That's why we need systems in place to make us do certain tasks more safely. That's why pilots use checklists.

 

[newfldiver]

For those interested, an update on the family is that Jarred had a plate put in skull and has joined his son & wife in Miami. Calvin is still in ICU, and they've not been able to do much further testing due to brain swelling; however he is communicating with the family by using his right hand. Continue prayers for the family for a recovery for dad & son.

 

[Doc Harry]

If, in fact, the two jumped in the water when the boat was in reverse, perhaps the title of this thread should be changed from "Father and son run over by dive charter" to "Father and son jump into spinning propellers." It's only fair to the dive charter.

 

[BUGBAGGER]

Just keep in mind that observations by crew and or others may have reported that they "jumped" in prior to the signal to do that. Witnesses to accidents and crimes alike report what they believe they have seen. Often, a witness account turns out not to be fact. What we report and believe to have seen is often influenced by the angle from which we view it, our set of beliefs about what is most likely to have happened, internal motivations to believe an event happened in a certain way, and comments that we overheard at the moment or soon after that we internalize though we may not even remember having heard them, etc.

It very well may be that they stepped off. It also very well may be that one or both fell off. Once falling, folks will often assume the position that they are most familiar with based on motor memory and that for divers would likely be to attempt to assume the giant stride position.

That having been said, clearly they were in the water before the Captain and crew expected them to be in the water. At this point, there is an emergency and the crew responded.

One additional note to my previous novellette-sometimes the Captain will put the throttles in the reverse position momentarily to arrest the forward motion of the boat, not to move in reverse, but to stop the boat. Then the Captain would move them to the idle or stop position. Without brakes this is how you may need to stop the forward momentum as well as counter current and wind effects on the vessel. This is fairly commonly done in drift diving. It is another action that enables the divers to exit the boat and remain together rather than being strung out as might happen if the boat were allowed to continue to move forward under its own momentum and possibly rapidly with the effects of wind and current too.

A thorough drift dive briefing should include a description of not only how, when, and where divers should be ready for entry but, also, everything that they should expect or might experience during the process of a drift dive water entry that would differ from a non-drift dive entry. Additionally, they should be briefed on the differences in boarding a boat in a drift situation. Always, the briefing should include any procedures that are unique or specific to the location or actual conditions. That having been said, a briefing is only useful when divers give it their full attention each and every trip. Also, there are reasons that additional training for specialty types of diving are available. People too easily make fun of the levels and options available for training as being unnecessry and only aimed at profit making.

At least in my personal experience, I have never seen or known of a diver that took a continuing diver education course and did not learn new information and/or develop new skills. I am sure there are examples of folks who didn't learn anything but the point is there are very affordable options for learning about diving techniques that are different than the ones that you have experienced. There are also great courses for learning diving techniques for environmental challenges encountered when you dive in a climate or environment different than those that you have previously experienced.

Humbly, I recommend as others on the board have said even better, Keep learning. Gain experience but gain it wisely. Continue your diver education.

 

[Splitlip]

Good post. Agree completely.

Just keep in mind that observations by crew and or others may have reported that they "jumped" in prior to the signal to do that. Witnesses to accidents and crimes alike report what they believe they have seen. Often, a witness account turns out not to be fact. What we report to have seen is often influenced by the angle from which we see it, our set of beliefs about what is most likely to have happened, internal motivations to believe an event happened in a certain way, comments that we overheard at the moment or soon after that we internalize though we may not even remember hearing them, etc.

It very well may be that they stepped off. It also may very well may be that one or both fell off. Once falling folks will often assume the position that they are most familiar with based on motor memory and that would likely be for divers to attempt the giant stride position.

That having been said, clearly they were in the water before the Captain and crew expected them to be in the water.

One additional note to my previous novellette-sometimes the Captain will put the throttles in the reverse position momentarily to arrest the forward motion of the boat, not to move reverse, then move them to the idle or stop position. Without breaks this is how you stop the forward momentum as well as counter current and wind effects on the vessel. This is fairly commonly done in drift diving. It is another action that enables the divers to exit the boat and remain together rather than being strung out as might happen if the boat were allowed to continue to move forward under its own momentum and possibly rapidly with the effects of wind and current too.