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archman:
Hey don't knock the technique. It worked just fine for Captain Nemo.

Its not his dive stile by itself that is under the spotlight, sure he might be an good diver. What is under the light is the irresponsibleness of diving like that while leading the dive. When you take the lead of a dive as a paid DM or instructor. You have a legal obligation to the safety of the group. Although they are all divers and have to look after themselves and did sign the waiver, you are still obligated by law to assist and rescue to the ability of your training and experience as o normal person would have. Thus if something happens your actions will be under investigation in court. Say for instance I do not check my air and run out of air, he has no octo. Now we have to share air, I might panic and drown when doing buddy breathing, or refuse to let go of the dv. He has no bc or fins and cannot take us up except by inflating my bc or dropping my weight belt and riding up with me. If I get dcs he would be found negligent for his actions and responsible for me getting bend. If I die cos he could not get us to the surface as he has no means of pos buoyancy control himself and a octo for me to breathe on that is the accepted standard he could pos be found guilty for my death. Did he manage to inflate my bc manually while wrestling me for the only dv, I could still sue him for the trauma of not having the right accepted equipment to deal with a emergency that is highly like to occur and he did not cater for a foreseeable problem. As a paid dive leader, is your job to foresee possible problems within your training and plan for them. and since octo breathing is taught in most open water and above courses, as well as bringing a diver up from depth. He will be found negligent for not having the equipment to deal with those problems he has been trained for. That is plainly looking for trouble, stupid from a normal diver and totally unacceptable from a dive leader.
 
ShoalDiverSA:
OK, I cannot possibly resist.

Were you diving with The Whaler?

Cheers,

Andrew

For wich dive, cos there where a couple mentioned now. :-)
 
archman:
Hey don't knock the technique. It worked just fine for Captain Nemo.

LOL!

The only problem is that this dude is leading a dive. I would hate to see how he would scramble up the side of the wreck to deal with an issue being experienced by one of the divers in the group.

Cheers,

Andrew
 
ShoalDiverSA:
Sorry, lost myself in the moment. I was referring to the Shoal dive with the finning DM.

I have the Fontao dive Charter sewn up.

Cheers,

Andrew
Cool, thirst. Would you now dive with that charter knowing what the DM is up to? (Fontao) I would, just to dive the wreck, but will take extra precaution by taking a buddy with I know and trust.

Then for the shoal dive, I do not like to mention charter names unless they are directly responsible or to blame. What happened is also my point of view and it would be unfair to put a dive charters name on the line because I happen to have a issue on how the DM leaded the dive. Then also, why single out the whaler. As I did see other deploy boys on the weekend and the DM actually transferred to another charter to DM for them after our dive while still at see, cos there is a shortage of DM's.
If you really want to know the charter name, mail me directly on anton.swanepoel@unilever.com.
 
Fair enough.

My question came from diving with and hearing feedback on a certain DM that fins like crazy with no regard for the group. I dread diving with him again, so I jump charters unless I can guarantee he is not the DM on a dive.

I will remove the charter's name in my previous post too - it was not a great idea to post it in the 1st place.

Cheers,

Andrew
 
ShoalDiverSA:
I will remove the charter's name in my previous post too -


Too late. Someone quoted you already, and now the name of the charter may be included in the thread one or two more times:D

Anyway, I agree with the liability issue that WICKED brought up. Another flip of the coin lies with setting an example. And the example should be that you wear the proper safety (dive) equipment. Just like for raod construction crews, if the foreman does not wear the reflective, yet fashionably unattractive, safety vest to increase his visibility to motorists, what makes you think his crew will either? In a leadership role, one must also lead by example.
 
WICKED_WIZARD:
Cool, thirst. Would you now dive with that charter knowing what the DM is up to? (Fontao) I would, just to dive the wreck, but will take extra precaution by taking a buddy with I know and trust.

Then for the shoal dive, I do not like to mention charter names unless they are directly responsible or to blame. What happened is also my point of view and it would be unfair to put a dive charters name on the line because I happen to have a issue on how the DM leaded the dive. Then also, why single out the whaler. As I did see other deploy boys on the weekend and the DM actually transferred to another charter to DM for them after our dive while still at see, cos there is a shortage of DM's.
If you really want to know the charter name, mail me directly on anton.swanepoel@unilever.com.

I agree. And this is one of my personal gripes, about public forums, one that I've campaigned and evangelized for many times on scubaboard. I just wish divers would stick to posting accurate and honest stories of what occured. When this is done the discussions that ensue are far more lively, plus readers are able to make more accurate evaluations, draw realistic conclusions. Let's face it, we weren't there, but you know most of us have been around the reef a few times, in life, and underwater. Some of the best posts often end with a little moral to the story or the summary of a lesson learned will sometimes fall out for others to glean something too.

Of course any story worth telling should allow room for some color and emotion, but readers can quickly dismantle a biased story intent on drawing sympathy from its readers or with the undertone of pursuading readers to side with the author against some entity, organization, staff, or person. When its justified the details bear it out anyway, because the content leads to that conclusion.

But how many times have we seen a "tale" unravel because the poster heavily embellished and smudged, or blurred out details which point back to themselves. These authors often find themselves in the predictament of being forced to tell one fabrication after another to defend a position they never held with solid footing from the beginning. These threads are often ear-marked with belated posts accepting some minimal personal responsiblity or blame. Or the author might take up a defensive posture citing "It's just a mystery who can understand it" or "You had to be there to understand", perhaps. But in all fairness, it's not that black and white. Details are forgotten, some stories are very old, it's human nature to elaborate, exaggerate, create a little hyperbole, and it's responsible to not disclose details to protect the innocent or avoid legal ramifications. Within these guidelines there seems to be plenty of room in this world for the distinctively clueless too.

But if you have the capacity to type and thus share your story, if you have the courage to tell it like it really happened, and a bit of meekness to learn from your experiences - then the resulting artifact will be something most divers can use and relate to. There is plenty of entertainment, humor and other distraction on the board, without lowering yourself to the position of wasting yours and everyone elses time dumping something that smells like crap but disguised as truth. :05:

Thanks for this last entry, I enjoyed it.
 
Sometimes, some guys just fall throught the cracks and make it to DM or above. One, I encountered called himself "Crazy Dan."

On a guided tour (5 divers) of a reef, Crazy Dan's dive briefing included the following "we will dive untill the first person runs out of air. They you will share air, signal to the group, and we will all surface."
 

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