DRY SUIT COURSE

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The drysuit divers I know personally (myself included) had to buy the suit before taking the class. How would you take a drysuit class without having a drysuit? Selling someone a suit for a few thousand dollars and then teaching them a class that might show them they need to return it and buy another? Not going to make for a happy customer imo.

Sorry, I tend to believe instructors try to do what's best for their customer, which may, or may not, be what's best for immediate business. Most instructors I know can arrange for a rental drysuit easily, it might not be the super-duper-perfect fit, but it will fit decently. That also helps people not spend a few thousand dollars only to realize they don't like it.
Same goes for (intro) sidemount, they all have a set of tanks, a few harnesses and regs available, students are not expected to show up with their own gear for this kind of classes IMO.
 
Sorry, I tend to believe instructors try to do what's best for their customer, which may, or may not, be what's best for immediate business. Most instructors I know can arrange for a rental drysuit easily, it might not be the super-duper-perfect fit, but it will fit decently. That also helps people not spend a few thousand dollars only to realize they don't like it.
Might be attributed to location. I don't know of any shops that rent drysuits and I can probably drive to any of 30 different scuba shops from my house in an hour.
 
It absolutely does vary by location. I do not believe there is a shop in Colorado or the surrounding states that will rent a dry suit.
 
The mere fact you say "rockboots vs attached is a whole other thread where we could debate" shows that it should be discussed in the class...


I disagree. It could be covered in one line - rent both see what you like better.

I could see this type of comparison expand to open water classes -

Lesson 2 - split fins vs blades vs paddle fins vs mono fins

Lesson 13 - BPW - vs Back Inflate vs - Jacket BCD vs Horse Collar

Lesson 31 - Standard Octo Reg vs long hose primary donate etc.

Somewhere around here the students say "I just wanted to see the pretty fishes, enough of this endless discussion of equipment advantages and disadvantages, I'm going home"
 
Here in the Greater Vancouver area pretty much every shop rents dry suits. Wet suit = shivering surface interval.

You generally need at least a class room session and a pool orientation but not the full course before they will rent you the drysuit. Most open water students have the drysuit for all their certification dives.
 
Somewhere around here the students say "I just wanted to see the pretty fishes, enough of this endless discussion of equipment advantages and disadvantages, I'm going home"
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I don't know, I see many people asking questions on this (and other) board, I don't blame them, which come down to very basic stuff for which imo their instructor should have provided some sort of information, whether the student takes it or not is not the question. After all, there's loads of stuff and useles questions in the OW book, so you might as well have a decent "equipment" section.

But on the other hand, I understand you, let's make it as basic as possible, who cares if divers know what they're doing. Let's also not bother have students with decent equipment and throw some crap-regs and ill-fitting fins at them, they don't know if there's anything better, ignorance is bliss!

So far, some of the shocking gear-related stuff I've seen:
- someone unaware of open-heels fins diving full foot fins in 7°C water, needless to say he wasn't feeling too well
- a diver trying to put my tank on my back, I wasn't too happy.
- "Why is your bcd not like mine?"
- coming from drysuit certified divers: a 7mm neoprene suit is better than a trilaminate suit because it's warmer with the same undergarment (still trying to get my head around that one :confused: )
- "Why would you want some ****** socks instead of shoes on your drysuit? So that you need shoes to go to the water and leave them there, ready to get stolen?" (Yes, this guy was genuinely unaware of how you use rockboots, but had been diving a drysuit and teaching it for a while)
- "Aluminium tanks are lighter because aluminium is lighter than steel" (duh, isn't it obvious, a kg of feathers is lighter than a kg of lead)
- "This 1kg of lead only weighs 960g". (I'm not making this up GROUPE 2 - Lest Plomb brut 1Kg , some others really complain about 13g! I'm not sure what is most shocking, that people weigh their weights, or that they seem to believe 40g are gonna make a difference, even if you carry 10 of them, the difference is still minor)
Should I keep going?


At the end of the day, it seems so obvious that the typical OW book should contain this and a lot of other stuff "we all" know, but it doesn't. Neither does AOW, nor any of the following courses. This includes techniques (eg kicks), or equipment (BPW etc), or combinations (Why the long hose?). It could also help end dumb myths such as the "you absolutely need to do a quarter turn back after you opened the valve". But instead, more "advanced" courses require you to draw a regulator and explain how it works, because that's what makes you a better diver. Heck, in France, for FFESSM, you need (I think?) to write a 50-ish pages script if you want to reach levels that are similar to course directors. Here's a few of them: "fins and kicks for scuba diving" http://www.ffessm-ctridf.fr/accueil/PDF/PalmesEtPalmagesEnPlongeeSousMarine.pdf, "frog kick" gives a single hit which says "we do not describe it here because it is a very slow kick and can only be used horizontally", in this one, called "scuba kicking" http://www.codep81ffessm.fr/images/stories/memoire/palmage.pdf, "frog" does not even give a single hit.


Finally, I could also summarize the OW course in one line: "Here, put this in your mouth, breathe, and when the needle points to 60 you ascend while breathing out, now go look at the pretty fishes", so maybe taking it to the extreme is not the right way either, wadayathink?


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You seem to assume that if it is in the course book, the info will then find its way into the brains of the students. Unfortunately osmosis doesn't work. Most people hate to do their homework and many, many that do read will not remember 90% of what was read but never reviewed in class.

I've tried teaching classes to decently educated adults. Ridiculously few will read even a mere 5 pages no matter how many times you demand they do so. And understandably, most customers do not want to have to learn what they don't really and truely need to know. They also don't want to pay for a bigger book if a book with just what they needed to know is smaller, lighter, cheaper. Customer preferences rule the market - toward videos instead of books in this case. So basic OW covers basic OW and other books, Internet pages, magazines or scubaboard are for those who wish to learn more.
 
I'm just surprised the info is not even given because "they won't read anyway" or "they won't care". If you don't provide the information in the first place, no surprise they wont have it when they should need it and/or should refer to it :confused:
 
First of all, if you have the time and patience, you can learn pretty much anything on your own. Calculus, astrophysics--you name it, and you can learn it on your own.

I agree :). Drysuit diving is none of these.
 

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